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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disk has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year 1985

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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yeah how you doing how you doing

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today is tuesday november 17 2020.

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322 days into the new year just

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a bunker that is somewhere in the middle

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of beautiful downtown burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far

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and near this is fade to black for kjcr

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the game changer network and kgra the

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing how are

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all right what a great week on the show

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absolutely incredible dave schrader last

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rick delano is here first time guest get

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we're going to be talking about rick's

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new film and it's a hit

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it's really good it's called

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the end of quantum reality

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okay now the links for the film and

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everything that you need to

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see are right there at

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jimmychurchradio.com and uh you can go

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and click

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and and find out how to go and see this

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video on demand so it's uh

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absolutely incredible film i was telling

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um earlier today i hope i don't repeat

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film pops up it's right there it's a new

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release and i'm reading the description

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and that is i think that one of the i'm

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which is the the majority of the world

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they're just on a collision course

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it's everything we'll be uh speaking

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stephen bassett is going to discuss the

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and what their position on disclosure

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and the ufo question will be moving

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into 2021 what's going to happen what

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night all right so stephen bassett

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all right i told you uh some of the late

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about billy carson what he's got going

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on he's got a new book coming out

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uh he's got a movie uh documentary on

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narration but that's another story

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oh did i just did i just spill the beans

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right now that i'm working on can't talk

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i want to tell the world about what's

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you can't do it all right yeah it's it's

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which now i've done so much of that but

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you you get that out of the way and it's

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like okay cool been there done that

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and then moving into film totally cool

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totally totally cool so i'll uh i'll

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talk more about it when i can

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okay um uh but billy carson forbidden

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knowledge dot

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tv his new uh internet tv network which

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you can go and sign up for and i believe

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it's all on

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it's on all of the video on demand

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platforms now

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um but head over to forbidden knowledge

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dot tv get signed up

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first three days trial membership you

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can go and check it out right now

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he's got thousands of programs up there

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some of them i'm in

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yeah so go peep it out check it out let

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me know what you think all right

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forbidden knowledge dot tv

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and of course crystal skulls you know

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this is can i just you know one of my

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is i i go and look at crystal skulls

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and i'm just clicking it is one of the

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funnest things you can do just head

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and click and she does really

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great photography so you get to see

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every and her site is so well done

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but you get to go and do that and she

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things to do so all you have to do is go

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einsteinthecrystalskull.com the links

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are over at jimmychurchradio.com

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use the promo code jimmy that's all you

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got to do 10

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crystal skull einstein the

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crystalskull.com

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every time i mention it i always turn

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around and go look look look look what

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this his name is anton

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look at that i mean right

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oh it's just absolutely incredible

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you want one of these come on you know

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einstein the crystalskull.com follow me

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on twitter at

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j church radio at j church radio sandbox

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is right in front of me i'm watching all

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i disagree biden will not be sworn

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in he is not the president

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you go madeline stay the course

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stay the course believe believe

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believe i you know hey hey uh

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is it's just crazy town i made up i

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everybody to just listen to me for a

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cut the crap out

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cut it out i'm an american i was born

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i always have and every four

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somebody's bummed out oh man he's not my

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man we lost i can't stay right we go

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through it every four years

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every four years and every four years

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okay all right so we're gonna do this

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again in four more years okay

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four more years of you know in four more

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oh man are you kidding me you're voting

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for you

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you like are you kidding me and we go

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through this over and over again but you

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we're all different and in the end we're

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and every four years we just

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accept it that's what we do so

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what i'm gonna go through it again in

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four more years

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quit stressing out who gives a crap

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and i mean you know think about

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everything that went down 2016.

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right we're still here

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we're still you accepted to move on

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accepted to move on 2020

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accept it and move on that's it

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oh man what are you gonna do in four

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more years four more years you're gonna

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run your life on this get over it we're

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americans first

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being different is what makes this

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country so great

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don't let anybody tell you it's us

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versus them

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because that's somebody that's

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un-american wants to divide this country

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what do you want to do burn this place

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is that what you want stop it

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bunch of crap just done with it i'm done

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with it

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i am d-o-n-e

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done all right am i clear

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fade or not all right

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moving on let's go i don't do politics

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that crazy video today of uh

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lindsey graham fist bumping kamala

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harris

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looks like what after all the smack talk

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from both of them

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right after all that they just walked by

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what's up

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he passed around the back and that

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should tell everybody

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everybody out there everybody on the

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right talking that smack

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everybody on the left talking that smack

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it's what they're both traders

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oh man you gotta love it uh

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okay all right

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where am i at well whoever it is

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i hope they focus on the damn virus yeah

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you're right about that terror uh we got

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we got issues

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health

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family you know uh i was um

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you know what talking about a conspiracy

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i went through i did uh

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i don't know 15 years ago 14 years ago

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i went back to school uh for for

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broadcast news sports journalism

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i went back to school cost me a lot of

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money and

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uh if i

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right now okay we have two daughters one

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is still in college one just

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graduated and is in in you know out

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there doing

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her thing now uh both are the same age

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one is still in college

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let me tell you something if i had

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a child right now that had a student

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loan especially one that i signed on

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i'm talking about the millions of

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families across this country

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and you're signing off you know 35 grand

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a year 40 grand a year

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50 grand a year whatever that number is

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high interest rates and your student

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your daughter your son hasn't been in

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college

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because of coronavirus and those loans

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are coming due

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ah no it don't work that way

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i'm not spending 30 grand a year for

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them to

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it's like phoenix university

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god uh is that what it's called what was

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that what's that

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online you buy your diploma college

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whatever it is so something needs to be

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done about that

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that that i want to hear somebody step

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up and go

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okay we recognize this that's a

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conspiracy man

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that's a that's a conspiracy that is

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just breaking the law

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stealing money that's what that is

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all right moving on where am i let's get

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to the breaking news the world of

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minerals

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these things right here the world

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of minerals just got it as wild as

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the world of animals because they do

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discover new stuff once in a while

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and they just did a research team led by

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crystallographer there was such a thing

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stanislav affilitov at st petersburg

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university

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in russia found a new entry into the

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world of minerals and they

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are calling it petrovite

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the bright blue mineral it's gorgeous by

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the way it's kind of like they're saying

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it's bright blue i'm going

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like seafoam green sky blue

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like right in there the images that i've

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seen

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are very very cool it comes from a

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volcanic landscape formed by major

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eruptions

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in the late 1970s and once again in the

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2010s in the kamchatka peninsula

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of russia the mineral is named for

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another saint petersburg university

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crystallographer his name is tomas

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petrov the team has just published a

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study on petrovite

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in the journal of uh uh

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uh mineralogical magazine

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say that ten times there you go

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it's really cool maybe gotta talk to

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carolyn ford

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get me a petrov hey there it is right

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there look at that

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see am i wrong about the color it's kind

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of like

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seafoam green it's the color of that

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guitar right there that's sea foam green

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it's exactly the color yeah it's not sky

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blue sea foam green

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i want one of those i want a crystal

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skull i gotta talk to uh

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carolyn ford petrovite

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petrovite all right where

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am i at uh let's see oh

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oh i talked to rita about this we are

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shopping for telescopes right now i

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don't want to spend a whole lot couple

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of hundred bucks you know no big deal

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just something

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to check out you know because we're in

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the backyard we're looking and we you

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know just just get something

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not gonna spend a ton of money on it but

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uh this

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week you will be able to

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see seven planets at various points in

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the sky

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at the same time venus and mercury i'm

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talking about in the same day

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venus and mercury are bright enough to

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see in the mornings while

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mars jupiter neptune and saturn will be

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seen at night and there is rumors that

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uranus say it as you will will also

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be visible all right all right now uh

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earth

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sky i use that website published a guide

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to viewing all of the planets

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on their website let's get the show

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cracking happy birthday to today

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martin scorsese today

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78 man

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too many great films yeah just just too

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many that's it martin scorsese today 78

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danny devito

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today 76 gets shorty

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one flew over the cuckoo's nest that's

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pretty good too

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gordon lightfoot today is 82.

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and and today so i went

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i had to go through my gordon lightfoot

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song list

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if you could read my mind right 1970

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sundown huh right

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carefree highway toe tapper

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rainy day people that's right and of

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course

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the wreck of the edmund fitzgerald happy

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birthday today one of canada's finest

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gordon lightfoot good documentary out

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right now

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with gordon my dead guy's birthday today

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jeff buckley

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but i have to

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1966 to 1997 died at the age of 30.

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of course jeff was an american singer

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songwriter and guitarist

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after a decade as a session guitarist

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here in los angeles

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bec buckley uh amassed a following in

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the early 1990s by playing cover songs

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at venues in manhattan's east

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village and recorded what would be his

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only studio album

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grace in 1994.

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jeff's cover of leonard cohen's song

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hallelujah

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went number one on billboard's hot

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digital songs in

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march 2008 and reached number two

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in the uk singles chart that december 11

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years after his death on may 29 1997

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while awaiting the arrival of his band

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from new york

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jeff drowned during a spontaneous

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evening

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swim fully clothed in the mississippi

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river in memphis

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he was caught in the wake of a passing

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boat and his body was found

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a week later on june 4th he was just

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30 years old on this day in history

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1558

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queen mary the first the monarch of

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england and ireland

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since 1553 after five years dies

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and is succeeded by her 25 year old half

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sister

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elizabeth elizabeth ended up ruling

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for 44 years fader fact okay

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marshmallows

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that's the fader fact

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okay marshmallows

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invented originated in

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ancient egypt that's right they used

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them

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to build the pyramids it's a revolution

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i got a new documentary coming out here

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very soon

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marshmallows built the pyramids

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that's right egyptian would use this

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listen to me would use the mallow plant

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that grew in marshes right to create

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candy to soothe sore throats

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the roots of the mallow plant would

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create a gooey substance that was boiled

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and mixed with honey

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and they created marshmallows

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and that's a fact then they built the

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pyramids no sore throats allowed

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you must keep slaving marshmallows

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tonight very special guest rick delano's

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here we're talking about his new film

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the end

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of quantum reality the links for

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00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,919
everything are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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the film is amazing

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and i want to talk about that right now

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as i hit this

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i want to go back to my comment last

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night

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that i've made many times on the show in

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the past and that is

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quoting myself the most spiritual person

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in the world is the physicist when the

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plane is going down

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end quote go ahead quote me it's a fact

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there is more to this statement than

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first off science

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to me is one of the coolest things ever

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seriously pure

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hardcore science

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i love it and then you have spirituality

525
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:18,400
in any form to me is also

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cool and all of it i wonder and ponder

527
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:25,600
the significance of it all

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i do it's absolutely the best

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the two if you think about it

530
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although clearly defined by so many with

531
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the line in the sand drawn

532
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the two totally exist side by side and i

533
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don't have a problem with it

534
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so why do so many the vast majority of

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scientists

536
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absolutely quiver shake and are visibly

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negative

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when it comes to the question of

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spirituality and or

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00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:01,279
consciousness they freak out

541
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:04,400
personally i don't get it

542
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:07,600
it's so easy for me to understand both

543
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and and i see where they totally fit

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together

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00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,120
i get it so if i can do it

546
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:19,360
why doesn't the scientific community

547
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have the same

548
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:24,159
open mind you see isaac newton

549
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,000
case in point one of the most undisputed

550
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geniuses in history

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00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:32,880
whose theories on gravity are not only

552
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:33,279
in

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00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:36,799
use today are also some of the most

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quoted in science

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00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,480
dude was one of the most spiritual and

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god-fearing men since the beginning of

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time

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and nobody has an issue with it

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i don't get it

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00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,279
you see all of science is nothing more

561
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,679
than a series of thinking outside the

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box

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00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:05,520
presenting a theory testing improving

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00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,960
and then correcting it over and over

565
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,400
again

566
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:12,400
and then correcting the over and overs

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00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:13,760
that's what it is

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00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:20,630
real science is about thinking or

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00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,360
dreaming

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about something crazy maybe it's

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groundbreaking

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it's certainly different and then trying

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to figure it out

574
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that's it right isn't the spiritual

575
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simply stated

576
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i can listen to a physicist any

577
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physicist

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hours and hours about

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the multiverse and time travel and

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entanglement and gravity waves and

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extraterrestrial life in the big bang

582
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right and they seem to have all the

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answers

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and that's cool and i love it but when

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the question

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the real question that is on everybody's

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mind comes up

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right which is okay that's fine

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uh but what is consciousness right

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and they just shut down and their answer

591
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,919
is always the same though you know smug

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you know great question

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00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,840
i don't know but it's all probably

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chemistry

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they can't explain how they

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are able to think how to speak how to

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and it's a bridge they just don't want

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to cross

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personally i don't know why

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i'll never forget i've said this so many

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times but it's true because i

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i respect sean carroll

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all right even when you know i wrote he

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wrote me back and said you know i'm uh

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just uh too busy to do this show

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00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,640
uh you know get a hold of me in six

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00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:05,279
months two days later he's on rogan

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00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,720
you know whatever but anyway

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i'll never forget when sean carroll was

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asked the question

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do you believe in ghosts or life after

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death

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and his answer quote

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right i don't have time for such things

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00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:25,039
i think about reality i spend my days

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00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,720
working on numbers and equations

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00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:31,120
and you see his words were measured

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almost too

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prepared and it made me wonder if old

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sean is laying awake at night in his bed

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you know just

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00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:39,440
just head on the pillow going you know

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00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,990
he has to he's too smart

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00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,080
now putting consciousness to the side

625
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for a moment there's another piece to

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this puzzle that has to be discussed and

627
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,080
it is this

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00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:59,039
there are only so many particles so many

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chemicals so many gases

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and and such throughout the universe and

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beyond that

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00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:07,600
there are only so many ways that

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they combine it's a numbers game it's

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not

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infinite but somehow

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00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:16,880
the basic of the basics i'm talking

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00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:17,760
about

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00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:21,279
amino acids carbon water

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00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:24,720
have learned to combine into rna

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00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,720
and dna life

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00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:31,039
you see you build a machine to do

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00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,840
something

643
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,480
it works until it breaks you fix it or

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00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,799
throw it away but it ain't gonna fix

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00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,000
itself

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00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,520
the cells in our body or any living

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00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:43,520
thing for that matter

648
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:46,640
they repair they fix they change they

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00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:47,200
modify

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00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:50,000
and they do whatever it takes to survive

651
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,120
trillions of

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00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,240
times per second of every day

653
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:57,279
of every year in the body

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00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:00,799
that makes up you

655
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:04,320
or your dog a tree in your front yard

656
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:07,519
and they do this non-stop like magic

657
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:11,440
anybody can tell me right now how the f

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00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:15,039
this is possible right i'll send you a

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t-shirt

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00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,200
i just want to know a scientist

661
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,320
a physicist any of them will answer this

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00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,240
with

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00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:27,360
it just happens man it's chemistry

664
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,080
that's it so in closing

665
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,799
if it's really that simple where

666
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:36,960
particles and acids are just going to

667
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:40,080
bump into each other anywhere they can

668
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,600
and life just happens well

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it's got to be going on everywhere all

670
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:48,480
the time throughout the universe

671
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,519
something this cool and while easy is

672
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,799
one of the most complex

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00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:54,960
things to have been engineered and

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00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:56,799
designed

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00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:59,600
and it wasn't by accident somebody did

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00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:00,320
it

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00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:03,679
and that is what science needs to figure

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00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,480
out

679
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,399
look i don't have all the answers but

680
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,039
i'm curious enough to ask the questions

681
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,799
and right now we need to have some

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00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,240
physicists step

683
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,200
up to the plate and take a swing

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00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,880
seriously

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black tonight

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00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:22,080
rick delano is here we're talking about

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00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:23,919
his new film

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00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,480
the end of quantum reality tomorrow

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00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:28,159
night right here stephen bassett

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we're going to be discussing the

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upcoming new biden administration

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and their position on disclosure in the

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ufo question heading into 2021

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thursday night is fader night with open

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lines

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all night long i'm your host jimmy

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church i'll be right back after this

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short break with our guest

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rick delano stay right there

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church

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what a great show we've got tonight

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producer

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00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:03,839
rick delano is here and tomorrow night

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stephen bassett live from washington dc

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you're not going to want to miss that

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and of course thursday night is fader

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night with open lines

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all night long rick delano has

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worked as an executive producer

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financial consultant in the music and

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film industries for more than 20 years

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and then he released a very

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controversial movie called the principle

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we will be talking about that tonight

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00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,280
but his newest production is the end of

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quantum reality

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a work based on the discoveries of

827
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former mit mathematics professor dr

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wolfgang smith we are going to talk

829
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about all of that tonight i want to

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welcome for the first time to fade to

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black

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rick delano rick good evening man how

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are you

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i'm great jimmy thanks for having me on

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hey uh

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you get the first time guest disclaimer

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rick

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00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,800
the next time the next time we have you

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on the show you're not gonna get it but

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00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,200
here we go

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uh and it's this it's just you and i

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends

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and where the conversation starts where

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it ends it ends but we're going to end

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his friends

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there you go all right you ready works

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for me

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00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,440
you're right on right now um uh you know

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what before

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before we get started here and there's a

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lot of foundation uh to lay so we're

853
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,119
gonna get into all of that

854
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:24,160
but uh let me actually start here which

855
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:24,480
is

856
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:31,920
the reception of the film been so far

857
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:34,960
we have been incredibly uh

858
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:38,320
blessed to uh

859
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,680
have you know we were a little bit

860
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,720
freaked out because

861
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,720
basically the entire movie business

862
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,640
ceased to exist in the middle of our

863
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:48,720
theatrical run back in january and

864
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:49,440
february

865
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:52,560
right we had played about 15 cities

866
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,720
we had uh all kinds of uh of new

867
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,480
opportunities opening up and then all of

868
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:00,320
a sudden the movie business ceased

869
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,599
to exist and

870
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,480
we didn't really know uh what kind of an

871
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:08,880
effect that was going to have

872
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,319
on our digital release and we are just

873
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,000
stunned you know we've

874
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,400
this film has sold into over 60

875
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,000
countries around the world

876
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,280
already we have we have had just

877
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,720
remarkable uh response to the film

878
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,119
we've basically been completely ignored

879
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:29,200
by mainstream media

880
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,880
uh the the couple of reviews we did get

881
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:34,560
in in mainstream

882
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,839
uh papers were basically just

883
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,720
contemptuous

884
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,640
oh these guys are a bunch of catholics

885
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,400
you don't have to pay any attention to

886
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:43,760
them

887
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:47,599
and in spite of that uh we are

888
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:52,000
just extremely gratified at the uh at

889
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:52,720
the very

890
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:56,319
wide distribution the film continues

891
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:59,599
uh to be receiving through uh both video

892
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:00,640
on demand

893
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,480
and uh our own uh website for a dvds

894
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,480
it's been remarkable now

895
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,800
it's so funny for you to say something

896
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,240
like uh

897
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,720
catholics because if somebody says

898
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,760
something like that

899
00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:15,680
and it was seriously there they didn't

900
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,540
watch the film

901
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,480
[Laughter]

902
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:21,040
i think it is a very safe bat that

903
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:21,839
neither the

904
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,400
la times nor the hollywood reporter

905
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,880
actually watched the film

906
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,040
they more or less admit it you know they

907
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,040
they they said you know we

908
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,680
we we couldn't make it hide and you

909
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:35,520
couldn't make head no tales out of this

910
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,160
but

911
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,839
we went to the website and look they

912
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,440
talk about how

913
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,520
this film was made for the glory of god

914
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:43,280
so we can ignore it

915
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,950
i would say well there's so many

916
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,040
groundbreaking things in the film

917
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,680
but my response to that and i want your

918
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:54,800
response

919
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,520
is that one of the things that i thought

920
00:42:03,430 --> 00:41:59,280
was a revelation in the film

921
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:03,440
and so warm and cool was tibet

922
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:06,800
right what does that have to do with the

923
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,069
this is what's so remarkable about

924
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:13,839
wolfgang i mean when i

925
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,960
first started to really get to know

926
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:18,480
wolfgang

927
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:21,599
and i realized what a remarkable man

928
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:21,920
this

929
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,319
is i mean here is the guy who was

930
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,000
accepted into cornell at

931
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,200
14 years of age

932
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:31,760
by the time he was 18 he had graduated

933
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,240
with majors in mathematics physics and

934
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,280
philosophy he

935
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,680
had a master's degree in quantum

936
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:41,440
mechanics from purdue by the time he was

937
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:42,319
20

938
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,599
and then he took off to india i never

939
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,359
intended to come back by the way it was

940
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,960
never his intention to come back

941
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:50,560
he's such a remarkable man you know he

942
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:53,760
said i wanted to climb this

943
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:56,880
ladder that i knew i could only find

944
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,480
in the remnants of the ancient

945
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:03,040
vidantic traditions still to be found

946
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,480
deep in the himalayas

947
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,720
i never intended to come back and i said

948
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:08,319
well why did you

949
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,359
and he smiles and he says because i

950
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:12,720
wasn't good enough

951
00:43:18,910 --> 00:43:15,760
i couldn't climb that ladder

952
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:18,920
but nevertheless i came back and it an

953
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,400
entirely changed man

954
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,040
and this is such a remarkable man he not

955
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,280
only completely swims

956
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:30,240
to the deep water of the most advanced

957
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:33,520
western science mathematics philosophy

958
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:36,800
he has also made direct living

959
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:40,640
contact with the most ancient

960
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,079
wisdom schools of mankind that is that

961
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,480
at that time were still to be found you

962
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,400
had to go way up into the himalayas to

963
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:50,640
find them but they were still there

964
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:53,680
and he contacted these people and he

965
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:54,400
swears

966
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,000
to me up and down that what he received

967
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:59,520
over there is something he

968
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:02,319
never could have received anywhere else

969
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:02,960
right

970
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,839
and that his entire subsequent course of

971
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:08,240
his studies of his life

972
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:11,760
of his writing were deeply influenced

973
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,880
uh by this experience and encounter with

974
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,880
the ancient traditions of the of the

975
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:18,560
hindu tradition

976
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,079
don't you feel that um and again we're

977
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,920
getting ahead of our skis but i love the

978
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:25,680
conversation

979
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,800
don't you feel that if you are going uh

980
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,880
to pursue a life of physics and that you

981
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,319
want to make that your career

982
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:34,560
and especially in the quantum side maybe

983
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,359
astro too

984
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,440
as well but if you're gonna go there

985
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:39,040
that you need to do a

986
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,119
six month uh sabbatical in your courses

987
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,160
and go to tibet oh right oh i

988
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,960
i i can't tell you how much i agree with

989
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:50,240
that it's

990
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,079
it especially now i mean i suppose for a

991
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,240
while i mean let's face it

992
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:59,200
the enlightenment had a very very good

993
00:45:03,750 --> 00:44:59,760
run

994
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,760
i mean golly for 300 years it really was

995
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:05,839
possible to believe

996
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:08,960
that these guys had found the magic key

997
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:12,160
uh as we talked in the film what newton

998
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:13,040
accomplished was

999
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:16,720
so astonishing so overwhelming

1000
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:19,839
in its power and persuasiveness

1001
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:23,119
that it's perfectly reasonable to

1002
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,880
have a little sympathy for the

1003
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,720
inheritors of that tradition

1004
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,480
when they basically started to look at

1005
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,240
every other way of knowing as something

1006
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,240
sort of contemptuous you know

1007
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:34,160
i remember in my first film lawrence

1008
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,520
krauss

1009
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,760
said you know philosophy was useful back

1010
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,839
before we had physical science

1011
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,440
but now that we have physical science

1012
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:43,280
philosophy is obsolete

1013
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,560
and that arrogance is

1014
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,960
that's the best lord that's the best

1015
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:49,920
lawrence grouse

1016
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,040
impersonation i've ever heard

1017
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:55,280
well you know i spent thousands of hours

1018
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,720
listening to lauren

1019
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:59,280
when i was editing the film and you know

1020
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,000
i i really

1021
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,000
must say i'm i'm deeply indebted to

1022
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:03,599
lawrence craft my first film would have

1023
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:04,319
been

1024
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:07,839
not nearly as good without him

1025
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,040
because a good film you gotta have

1026
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,839
really strong voices all across the

1027
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:14,720
spectrum

1028
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:18,000
especially the side that you do not find

1029
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:21,599
persuasive it's so easy to allow

1030
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:22,960
yourself to

1031
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,599
to edit a film so that it it sort of

1032
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,000
slants toward your side of the tracks

1033
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:29,839
sure that's not a good documentary a

1034
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,079
good documentary is when the punches

1035
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:35,359
are thrown clean and hard

1036
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,319
from all sides of the spectrum and you

1037
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:40,880
know lawrence is very entertaining

1038
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:44,400
uh you know it takes a certain degree of

1039
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:45,920
hutzpah

1040
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,640
to actually let a camera be running

1041
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,720
while a doctor of physics explains to us

1042
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,319
the philosophy has no

1043
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:54,400
we we have no use for philosophy in the

1044
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:55,520
world anymore

1045
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,720
physics has taken over just to have the

1046
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:00,079
hoods put to actually

1047
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,000
say something like that with a camera

1048
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:05,520
running it makes for a very good film

1049
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:08,640
yeah and these physicists today uh i

1050
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,280
call them rock star physicists and

1051
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,400
and where it's different

1052
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:16,880
maybe feynman may be an exception he's a

1053
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:21,829
he's a great physicist yeah great

1054
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:24,079
physicist and and and knew how to

1055
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:27,280
uh knew how to uh be theatrical you know

1056
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:27,680
he was

1057
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:32,319
lectures are just hilarious i love him

1058
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,280
so entertaining

1059
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,440
i love him but uh today you know with

1060
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:37,359
lawrence krauss and sean carroll and

1061
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,079
green

1062
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:41,200
and and uh even dawkins you can throw

1063
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:41,520
him

1064
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:44,960
into the mix um these guys

1065
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,559
are also performers and they are very

1066
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:50,319
comfortable in front of the camera

1067
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,920
and i don't think we had that in the

1068
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,480
past um and i'll tell you why it wasn't

1069
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,319
it wasn't quite as big of a business in

1070
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,599
the past

1071
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,680
you think about a guy named albert

1072
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:01,440
einstein

1073
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:04,720
you know he was working as a clerk

1074
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,520
in the swiss patent office when he wrote

1075
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,200
his paper on special relativity there

1076
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,920
was no big science back then

1077
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,000
i mean this guy had to pay the bills by

1078
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:16,000
clerking in a patent office

1079
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,680
when he wrote what is quite probably the

1080
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:19,359
most influential paper written in

1081
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,200
physics since newton died

1082
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:23,119
it's a whole different ballgame now this

1083
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:24,319
is big

1084
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:27,760
business it is their business there are

1085
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:28,880
hundreds of

1086
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:32,400
billions of dollars at stake

1087
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:36,400
and essentially you know the the world

1088
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:39,839
story that we tell ourselves today

1089
00:48:46,829 --> 00:48:43,920
uh we have learned from the physicists

1090
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,839
and while that story behind the scenes

1091
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,480
is

1092
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,400
it's much more than just fraying at the

1093
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:51,920
edges as as we

1094
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:54,800
say at the beginning of the new film uh

1095
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:57,599
all of the pillars are wobbling now

1096
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,800
every one of the fundamental things that

1097
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,079
we've all been told

1098
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:04,640
is certainly true all the way through

1099
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,160
our schooling and growing up

1100
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:08,880
oh the big bang happened 13.6 no make

1101
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,359
that 13.8 billion years ago

1102
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,400
i remember kraus said to me the big bang

1103
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,160
happened it's just as sure

1104
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:18,319
as you sitting across from me in that

1105
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,520
chair

1106
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,319
well that's complete nonsense that's an

1107
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:24,319
insult to the intelligence of

1108
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,319
anyone who can discern the difference

1109
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,040
between the speculative and theoretical

1110
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,440
conclusions of a given scientific

1111
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,760
theory and the fact that i can look at

1112
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:37,760
you sitting in the chair across from me

1113
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:41,680
to actually insult our intelligence

1114
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:45,119
by insisting that the two things can be

1115
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,079
known with

1116
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:49,119
similar degrees of certainty that's an

1117
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:50,240
example of where

1118
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:53,760
pr has become the product

1119
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,800
rather than science guys like einstein

1120
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:58,400
guys like heisenberg

1121
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,920
there was no celebrity involved

1122
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,079
uh at the early stages of their career

1123
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:06,559
later on of course they got it

1124
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,720
but the the entire scientific enterprise

1125
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:12,880
now is such big business

1126
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,680
has such immense power both financially

1127
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,520
and culturally

1128
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:20,079
that there is an entire division of

1129
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:21,599
public relations

1130
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:24,720
neil degrasse tyson uh the guys you

1131
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:25,440
mentioned

1132
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,640
whose real job whose real function is to

1133
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:30,240
be a talking head

1134
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:33,680
on your tv set assuring you that we have

1135
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:34,079
it

1136
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,119
all figured out right supporting their

1137
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:40,160
dogma and see the thing is and the thing

1138
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:40,800
is

1139
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:49,680
back in in the 30s well in the teens

1140
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,359
right uh 1917 1915 special in general

1141
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,520
uh when those were authored and

1142
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:59,520
everything that happened after that with

1143
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:00,400
heisenberg

1144
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,520
and and and boars all of that they

1145
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,760
weren't basing everything on dogma

1146
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,920
these guys were asking questions yeah

1147
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,000
these guys were asking questions

1148
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,720
they were trying to figure things out

1149
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,119
wolfgang of course studied

1150
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,760
directly under people who were trained

1151
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,000
by heisenberg i mean he

1152
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:22,720
he was at cornell in the 40s this was

1153
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:23,040
the

1154
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:27,839
in getting a physics degree

1155
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:31,359
then was just unimaginable compared to

1156
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:32,480
today

1157
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:35,200
and what wolfgang always told me is that

1158
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:36,240
science has

1159
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,680
changed drastically since he was

1160
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,520
uh since he was an undergraduate and a

1161
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:42,960
graduate at

1162
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:46,480
cornell and perdue at mit that

1163
00:51:52,829 --> 00:51:49,760
the degree of rigor that was required

1164
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,839
under his professors is simply

1165
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:54,720
unimaginable

1166
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:57,920
compared to the essentially pr

1167
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:00,960
operations that we see

1168
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:04,079
just very powerfully spread and

1169
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:05,520
supported

1170
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,319
across the popular science press today

1171
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:10,240
back then there was still

1172
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:13,520
a real sense that physics

1173
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:16,880
was the most

1174
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:20,240
rigorous self-correcting

1175
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,630
you couldn't just blow smoke uh

1176
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:28,800
back in in the early decades of this

1177
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,680
century

1178
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,920
you had to have the goods and you had to

1179
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:33,680
be able to experimentally

1180
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:36,800
demonstrate that you had the goods

1181
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:39,760
and that's where we got the tremendous

1182
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,160
breakthroughs in quantum mechanics

1183
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:44,559
it wasn't because they had a better pr

1184
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,359
operation

1185
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:47,440
it wasn't because they had sean carroll

1186
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,720
out writing a new york times bestseller

1187
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,800
because they had the experiments and

1188
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:54,160
they could show

1189
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:57,280
that their equations predicted those

1190
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,319
results and there was another oh

1191
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,839
you know what we're going to continue

1192
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:03,760
this part of the conversation

1193
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:05,920
when we come back for the break because

1194
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:06,800
i i

1195
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,079
i have to ask this before the break how

1196
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:13,680
did you go from music

1197
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,400
and film right executive producing and

1198
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,000
finance and money

1199
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:21,200
into hardcore physics and the acquiring

1200
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:21,599
of

1201
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:24,240
the knowledge was this something that

1202
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,040
you had

1203
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:27,280
an interest in throughout life or did

1204
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:30,160
you just jump in with both feet

1205
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:33,440
i did neither i it was

1206
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:36,880
thrown into my lap and i had

1207
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,160
no choice when i was asked

1208
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,440
to produce the principle um

1209
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,599
i said i don't want to do this i have no

1210
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:47,680
interest in film i have no experience in

1211
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,640
film

1212
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,119
and my friend bob sanjenis tried a

1213
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:53,119
couple of times to get other producers

1214
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,640
to take the project

1215
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:57,119
he was not satisfied with uh with the

1216
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:58,160
results

1217
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,079
and he finally came to me as a friend

1218
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:01,839
and said rick you're the only guy i

1219
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:02,400
trust

1220
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:08,000
to do this and god help me i said yes

1221
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,960
and making the principle turned out to

1222
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:12,160
be the single

1223
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:15,680
most incredibly challenging

1224
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,800
uh thing i had ever taken on because i

1225
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,800
was going to put my name on this

1226
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,880
and it become became clear at a very

1227
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:24,240
early stage

1228
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,000
that i would have to know enough

1229
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,119
to not make any glaring mistakes

1230
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,359
not with the film with that subject no

1231
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,640
you can't step out of bounds because i

1232
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,839
knew how controversial it was going to

1233
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,359
be i knew we were

1234
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:39,359
speaking with the leading cosmologists

1235
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,559
in the world

1236
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,359
and i spent about three years before we

1237
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:45,200
made that film

1238
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:48,640
simply immersed in

1239
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:52,079
cutting-edge cosmology and i must have

1240
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:52,480
read

1241
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,440
at least 500 papers and all the footnote

1242
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:58,079
references in all of those papers

1243
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:01,040
in order to prepare for the opportunity

1244
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:02,880
to sit down and interview men like

1245
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:07,040
george ellis max tegmark lawrence krauss

1246
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,079
michio kaku i was going to get one

1247
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,440
shot with these guys and i knew

1248
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:16,319
that i had to be in a position to ask

1249
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:17,839
the questions

1250
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:21,440
that no other journalist was ever going

1251
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:22,880
to ask them

1252
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,839
and i took it very seriously and uh it

1253
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,119
was only about

1254
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,040
two and a half years in that i realized

1255
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:32,240
i absolutely loved this stuff

1256
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:35,359
and the best it's the best and let me

1257
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:38,720
let me ask you this um when i watched

1258
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:42,640
the principal the first time um

1259
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:46,000
i found myself squirming in my chair i i

1260
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,640
it

1261
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,079
pushes you to a side of being

1262
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:52,559
uncomfortable it does that's the job of

1263
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,440
the film

1264
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:55,680
well you know i i when i started

1265
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,640
producing documentaries i took as my

1266
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:01,440
guiding principle that a good

1267
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:02,720
documentary film

1268
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,160
exists for one fundamental reason

1269
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,920
and that reason is this a good

1270
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:09,680
documentary film

1271
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,119
will afflict the comfortable and comfort

1272
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:15,359
the afflicted that's right that's all i

1273
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,240
ever tried to do

1274
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:18,079
well you pulled it off in the principle

1275
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:19,359
i mean

1276
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,799
i'm going to tell the audience uh

1277
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:22,480
earlier today i told rick i said

1278
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,240
look um i didn't really agree

1279
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:29,040
with much of the principle but it made

1280
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:29,599
me

1281
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:33,920
i don't

1282
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,160
to agree with everything rick

1283
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:40,720
what's that what's the challenge in that

1284
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:41,440
right

1285
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:45,119
yeah bravo man i mean there's so much

1286
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,240
pre-packaged

1287
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,079
you lead you around by the nose out

1288
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:49,680
there to me the most

1289
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:52,559
important thing we need to recover as a

1290
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:53,680
culture

1291
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:56,480
is the ability to think for ourselves

1292
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:56,799
and

1293
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,240
learn how to think better for ourselves

1294
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,319
and you know just as a documentary

1295
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:04,880
filmmaker i want the tension

1296
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,040
i want there to be very strong conflicts

1297
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:11,680
and i want each of those arguments to be

1298
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:12,079
very

1299
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,599
i hope that i will do just what you said

1300
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:19,280
i hope that i will give you something to

1301
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,559
think about

1302
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,079
let me ask you this we've got a three

1303
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:23,839
minutes before the break okay

1304
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:26,960
so take your time but out of

1305
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,599
everybody and that includes wolfgang

1306
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,000
tell me that max tag mark was as cool as

1307
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:34,079
i think he is

1308
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:38,160
oh what max was the absolute star

1309
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:41,359
of the principal hands down no doubt

1310
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:42,400
about it

1311
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,480
you know it's funny i i i must say

1312
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:48,880
that of every person i have interviewed

1313
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:50,079
for both films

1314
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,000
wolfgang smith stands head and shoulders

1315
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:56,880
above everyone else that i interviewed

1316
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:57,280
uh

1317
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,319
george ellis was the smartest person i

1318
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:01,760
interviewed for the principal

1319
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:05,440
sure but in terms of who did the camera

1320
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:05,920
just

1321
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:09,200
absolutely love who brightened up the

1322
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:09,760
screen

1323
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:13,119
every time he was on it who left us

1324
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:16,319
absolutely jolted

1325
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,160
every time he appeared on screen that

1326
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:20,559
would be max tag mark hands down

1327
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,920
yeah i totally agree and there are a

1328
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:26,000
couple of physicists out there now of

1329
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,400
course

1330
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:29,760
wolfgang uh is unique unto himself for

1331
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,119
his own reasons and we'll

1332
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:33,119
start to get into that after the break

1333
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,160
but uh

1334
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:37,359
max and a little bit with brian greene

1335
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:41,520
um i think that they have a more open

1336
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:44,720
mind right they are okay with exploring

1337
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:45,359
and they are

1338
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:48,240
okay with being wrong once in a while

1339
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:48,799
and

1340
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:54,480
felt that

1341
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:56,000
where if you're going to go into the

1342
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:57,839
sense and wonder of wonderment and

1343
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,400
ponder

1344
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,880
the significance of it all max is going

1345
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:02,079
to do that to you

1346
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:03,839
you know and and he's going to listen to

1347
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:06,480
what you have to say

1348
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,480
i will never be able to thank max enough

1349
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,640
for you know he became a friend of mine

1350
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:14,480
because i interviewed him twice for the

1351
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:15,760
principal

1352
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,640
once in 2011 and then right after the

1353
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:20,559
plant data came out and the axis of evil

1354
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,440
became

1355
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:23,280
you know it was completely confirmed

1356
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:25,359
okay you have to understand when i made

1357
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:26,559
the principle i'd

1358
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:29,680
bet to film on the fact that planck

1359
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:30,799
would confirm

1360
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:33,920
this amazing axis across the

1361
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:37,440
cosmos and at least 95

1362
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:39,200
of the papers that were being published

1363
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:40,880
while we were editing the film

1364
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,599
were saying it would not be confirmed

1365
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,599
and all the rumors were

1366
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,599
that planck was going to falsify the

1367
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:50,240
access it was a terrible feeling

1368
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:53,200
except i remember i asked max i called

1369
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:53,760
him up

1370
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,839
and i said max i know you've got friends

1371
01:00:03,109 --> 00:59:59,680
on the plant team

1372
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,119
is there anything you can tell me about

1373
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:05,520
what you're hearing and he said well

1374
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:06,559
rick i

1375
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:09,680
do have friends and yes i couldn't tell

1376
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:10,240
you but

1377
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:13,359
unfortunately then i would have to kill

1378
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:14,400
you

1379
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,079
calling

1380
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,079
and that's when i knew i i knew that we

1381
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,000
were going to be okay

1382
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,920
i knew that when planck released its

1383
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:27,760
data we were going to still be in the

1384
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:28,000
ball

1385
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,960
game as a matter of fact we were going

1386
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:30,559
to be the only film in the world and to

1387
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,680
this day

1388
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,359
we're the only documentary film out

1389
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:35,760
there that really examines this

1390
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:39,599
stunning discovery in cosmology

1391
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:42,079
and i owe all that to max now on the

1392
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:43,680
other side of the coin and i'll make

1393
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,200
this brief because i know we're up

1394
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:47,760
against a break

1395
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:51,359
max like everybody else in academia

1396
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,319
threw me under the bus without the

1397
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,480
slightest hesitation

1398
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,960
when the big controversy broke about the

1399
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:00,880
principle

1400
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,599
i never was able to get him to respond

1401
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:05,280
to me again

1402
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:07,599
after he was quoted in popular science

1403
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:09,040
magazine as saying i had

1404
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:12,799
cleverly tricked him

1405
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:16,559
now max knows that's not true

1406
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:20,480
he knows that i know that's not true

1407
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:23,680
but never once after that article

1408
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:24,640
appeared

1409
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:27,280
did max tegmark ever again answer a

1410
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:28,400
phone call

1411
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:31,839
or an email from me and i find that to

1412
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:32,160
be

1413
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:35,119
very very sad indeed yeah that's that

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that

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is the world of physics you know

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that everybody is fighting for every

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dollar

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everybody's uh fighting for the next

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book deal uh

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another series on pbs whatever it is

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and uh and that and and i get that i

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01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:54,559
can't really fault max for that

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01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,960
because uh it's it's it's the culture

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you know that's it he's he's no

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different than anybody else

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01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:04,240
let's take our break right here rick

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great conversation great start to the

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show our guest tonight rick delano when

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we come back after the break

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we got to go straight to it right we

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have to it

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is dr wolfgang smith who was he the life

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and times

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and the new film which is incredible the

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end of quantum

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01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:24,319
reality tonight rick delano executive

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01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:25,520
producer

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of the film and the host of the end of

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quantum reality i'm real jimmy church

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this is fade to black stay with us we'll

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all right all right welcome back fade to

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black i'm your host jimmy church tonight

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rick delano is here it's going to be a

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01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:54,160
great conversation

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01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,839
talking about his new film the end of

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01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:57,599
quantum reality and

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for the bunker cam i was just showing

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off everybody i've got a

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foot of hair it's still

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growing uh thanks to to the pandemic and

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uh there you go

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i've had one haircut since january

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and uh it's feeling good i'm going back

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to my rock and roll roots

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01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:19,520
uh literally literally um

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01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:23,199
what a great film and when uh

1584
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,960
when it came up uh uh it was on amazon

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01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:28,880
and it's there it's a new release

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01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:32,159
and i click on the description and i'm

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01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,839
when it comes to film i love science

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01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:35,440
fiction and all of that you know that's

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01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:36,960
that's that's cool but

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my heart longs for uh black and white

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pragmatic

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documentaries just give me the knowledge

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i want to learn something

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right and i and it pops up and i read

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01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:49,279
the description i was like holy crap

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01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:50,880
this is impossible

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01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:53,279
it's like the perfect film right so

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anyway

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01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,359
i'm gonna start here um and that

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is the beginning of the film i'm gonna

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01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:00,799
throw you under the bus a little bit

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01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:04,319
but um uh i'm listening to the opening

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music

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01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:07,600
and i love production but i'm listening

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01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:09,759
listening to the vocals and

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01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:12,560
uh the bass guitar the lines the melody

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01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:12,799
and

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a what a cool

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tune all right so anyway i get into the

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film i'll watch it i get to the credits

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01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:24,080
and you sing you second wrote

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01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:28,480
uh the song um wow

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01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:31,040
that's it uh you know i i hope you're

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not blushing right now but

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uh man and i so i want everybody to know

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01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:37,520
when you go and watch the film that's

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rick at the

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at the beginning of the film love the

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lyrics by the way

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you got everybody in there you got

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einstein

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um yeah yeah it's really funny you

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mentioned that jimmy i

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i always you know the bottom line is

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it's really true we

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we realized pretty early on in editing

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that we

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really needed an original score for this

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thing right

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and uh there's this guy out there who

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was willing to do it for a really really

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really good price and that was me

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it's perfect um and well done

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nobody uh unless they last to the

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01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:25,440
credits they're not going to know that

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01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,719
right and and i thought as i was

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01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:30,000
listening to i thought this is

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01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:32,480
this is like a hit song that i missed

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01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:33,679
somewhere

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and then i started listening to the

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01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:38,080
lyrics i went no this is written for the

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film

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01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:41,040
okay so i wanted to make sure in the end

1644
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,800
that i could find out who that artist

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01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:44,800
was so i could have him on the show

1646
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:48,239
and i i i pulled that one off um

1647
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:50,960
but okay so let's let's get back into

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01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:51,600
this

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01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:55,120
one of the things that not only is

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01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:56,560
discussed a lot on this

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01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,000
show but every physicist

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01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:02,719
i have watched just like you right i've

1653
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:04,640
watched all the presentations

1654
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:08,239
uh going back decades i've watched uh

1655
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:11,040
all of the uh online courses i've read

1656
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,000
all the books

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01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,239
i've listened to all of the interviews

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01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:16,560
and everybody gets into

1659
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,600
schrodinger's cat which ends up

1660
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:22,080
for most people confusing them right

1661
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:23,600
just the concept alone

1662
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:26,719
is is is crazy but um

1663
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:31,360
it is what uh it's the go-to subject

1664
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,440
for all physicists and it is also

1665
01:11:39,910 --> 01:11:37,920
uh would i be wrong in saying that it is

1666
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:39,920
the central focus of the film in in a

1667
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:42,000
very strange way

1668
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:45,360
well you would be absolutely right uh

1669
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:48,400
schroedinger's cat was just

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01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:51,840
irving schroedinger's way of trying to

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01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,640
make it

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01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:54,800
possible for the average person to

1673
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:56,239
understand

1674
01:12:02,630 --> 01:11:59,280
the complete perplexity

1675
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:02,640
that the physicists were facing

1676
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:05,600
when they discovered quantum mechanics

1677
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,560
because

1678
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:08,640
and and this is this is i hope i can get

1679
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:10,320
this across to your audience because

1680
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:11,120
this is the

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01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,239
whole ballgame this is why quantum

1682
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:16,800
mechanics remains to this day

1683
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:17,760
essentially

1684
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:21,360
impossible for anyone to believe

1685
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:25,040
the only reason anyone believes it

1686
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:28,400
is because it works perfectly

1687
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:31,760
our phones our computers our entire

1688
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:32,400
world

1689
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:35,440
works because quantum mechanics

1690
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:38,480
is the most accurate physical theory in

1691
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:41,360
the history of humanity

1692
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:45,520
but what it tells us about the nature of

1693
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:47,360
reality

1694
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:50,640
is so shocking that 100

1695
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:54,080
years further in the physicists

1696
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:57,199
are utterly literally being driven

1697
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:00,560
insane by the implications

1698
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,320
so schrodinger said how can i get this

1699
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:05,040
across to people and he thought of this

1700
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:06,480
idea

1701
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:11,280
okay if we assume

1702
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:14,800
that physics has been correct

1703
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:17,760
over the past 400 years in its

1704
01:13:23,390 --> 01:13:19,679
fundamental assumption

1705
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:23,400
that we call reductionism

1706
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:26,640
reductionism is the fundamental

1707
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,520
magic bullet that has led to the

1708
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:31,120
scientific revolution and

1709
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:34,800
reductionism is just this it is the

1710
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:38,000
idea that if you take

1711
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:41,120
any object in the world and

1712
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:44,560
break it down to its smallest

1713
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:49,040
possible parts and you discover the laws

1714
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:53,280
governing those smallest possible parts

1715
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:56,560
you will have described every larger

1716
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:00,400
object composed of those parts

1717
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:03,360
this is reductionism this is the idea

1718
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:04,719
that what physics is

1719
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:07,199
all about is getting down to the bottom

1720
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:08,719
of the world

1721
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:10,960
getting down to these fundamental

1722
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:13,280
particles as they call them

1723
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:15,920
and discovering the laws that govern

1724
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:18,159
their behavior

1725
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:21,600
theoretically if you can do that

1726
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:25,840
you will be able in turn to describe all

1727
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:29,199
of the behavior of larger objects in the

1728
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:30,640
world

1729
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:32,719
and this worked beautifully all the way

1730
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:40,470
even einstein is essentially uh

1731
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:44,400
compatible with this idea of a reduction

1732
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:47,679
down to the simplest possible components

1733
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:51,199
of reality quantum mechanics

1734
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:55,120
blows reductionism into tiny

1735
01:15:02,790 --> 01:14:58,640
little smithereens it is the

1736
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:02,800
end of the attempt to explain the world

1737
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:03,120
by

1738
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:06,480
getting down to the bottom of the world

1739
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:09,440
defining these fundamental particles and

1740
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:10,000
deriving

1741
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:12,239
the rest of reality from them and here's

1742
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:13,600
why

1743
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:16,080
let's assume for the sake of argument

1744
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:17,760
the reductionism is true

1745
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:21,600
that a cat for example is fundamentally

1746
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:22,960
nothing other than

1747
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:26,320
a collection of quantum particles that's

1748
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:27,280
what a cat

1749
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:31,600
is if we assume that to be true

1750
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:34,080
then of course quantum mechanics will

1751
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:35,199
apply

1752
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:38,560
with all of the magnificent accuracy

1753
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:41,280
that it has been shown to apply to

1754
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:42,400
electrons

1755
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:45,280
and and sub-atomic particles it will

1756
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:45,920
apply

1757
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:48,960
just as accurately to a collection of

1758
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:49,920
those particles

1759
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,360
like a cat okay if we assume that to be

1760
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:55,120
true

1761
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:58,800
then we take a cat and we put that cat

1762
01:16:02,870 --> 01:15:59,840
in a box

1763
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:02,880
so that it cannot be observed or

1764
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:06,239
measured if it cannot be observed

1765
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:08,560
or measured and it is just a collection

1766
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:10,880
of quantum particles then guess what

1767
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:13,440
schrodinger's wave equation will

1768
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:14,239
describe

1769
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,760
that cat perfectly to such degrees of

1770
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:19,679
accuracy that no physical theory has

1771
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:20,080
ever

1772
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:23,120
even come close so schroedinger

1773
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:25,040
continues

1774
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,199
if we take this cat and put it in the

1775
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:29,360
box so that cannot be observed or

1776
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:30,400
measured

1777
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:34,159
we know that cat is described by a wave

1778
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:37,360
function we know that wave function in

1779
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:38,239
turn

1780
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:41,920
allows that cat to be in many different

1781
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,719
states at the same time this is the

1782
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:46,719
fundamental weirdness

1783
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:49,440
of quantum mechanics when you do quantum

1784
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:50,320
mechanics

1785
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:53,679
the mathematics requires you to admit

1786
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:55,679
that the quantum system can be in many

1787
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,679
different places at the same time

1788
01:17:00,790 --> 01:17:00,000
can have many different momenta at the

1789
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:00,800
same time

1790
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:04,000
can have many different states at the

1791
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:04,880
same

1792
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:08,640
freaking time now if that's

1793
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:11,360
true then when we put that cat in the

1794
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:13,679
box that cat is in a

1795
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:15,520
super position they call it a

1796
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:17,920
superposition of states

1797
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:21,520
one of those states equates to the cat

1798
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:23,360
being alive

1799
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:25,760
and one of those states equates to the

1800
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:26,960
cat being dead

1801
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:30,000
so let's put a let's put a geiger

1802
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:33,600
counter in there and we'll put a

1803
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:36,880
we'll put a a a radioactive element in

1804
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:38,239
the box

1805
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:41,679
and if that geiger counter registers

1806
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:44,880
an atomic decay

1807
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:47,440
that geiger counter is going to click

1808
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:49,120
and that's going to in turn

1809
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:51,040
release a hammer and that's going to

1810
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:53,840
crack open a cyanide jar

1811
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:57,840
and that's going to kill the cat okay

1812
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:00,960
point is that until you

1813
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,080
open that box the cat

1814
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:07,040
is described quantum mechanically as

1815
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:07,600
being

1816
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,880
in a superposition of states

1817
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:12,719
there is one superposition that

1818
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:15,360
corresponds to the cat being alive

1819
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,520
and there is one that corresponds to the

1820
01:18:22,910 --> 01:18:19,679
cat being dead

1821
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:22,920
and the only way to collapse those

1822
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:26,480
superpositions the only way to collapse

1823
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:29,679
that wave function is to conduct a

1824
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:30,800
measurement or an

1825
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:35,280
observation you have to open up the box

1826
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:37,679
that collapses the wave function of the

1827
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:39,120
cat down to

1828
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:42,000
one specific value the superpositions

1829
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:43,360
disappear

1830
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:46,480
and only one state is left

1831
01:18:52,830 --> 01:18:49,760
and schroedinger's point is what was the

1832
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:52,840
state of that cat before i opened the

1833
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:54,239
box

1834
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:57,440
mechanics tells us that the cat was both

1835
01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:00,560
dead and alive

1836
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:03,440
until that box was open and schroedinger

1837
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:03,760
says

1838
01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:07,040
this is ridiculous this is absurd

1839
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:10,719
this cannot possibly be an accurate and

1840
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:13,040
truthful description of reality

1841
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:16,800
however it is absolutely certain

1842
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:20,000
that it is an accurate description of

1843
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:21,440
the electrons

1844
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:23,440
and subatomic particles that make up

1845
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:24,880
that cat

1846
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:28,480
so we have a paradox on the one hand

1847
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:31,120
we know damned well that the cat was

1848
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:33,120
either dead or alive before we opened

1849
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:34,880
that box

1850
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:38,400
but we also know that if the cat is

1851
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:40,560
nothing other than a collection of

1852
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:41,920
quantum particles

1853
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:44,960
then it was both dead and alive that is

1854
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:47,040
the fundamental paradox

1855
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:50,159
of quantum reality why is it that the

1856
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:52,320
world that we live in

1857
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,800
we don't see cats multi-located we don't

1858
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:56,560
see dead in the live cats

1859
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:59,280
we don't see billiard balls in 17 000

1860
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:01,199
different locations and a sort of cloud

1861
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:02,719
around the pool table

1862
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:04,960
that's not the world we live in that's

1863
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:06,400
not the world

1864
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:10,880
as we perceive it so what gives here

1865
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:14,159
is it possible that we are simply being

1866
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:15,679
subjected to some kind of

1867
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:19,040
drastic cosmic conspiracy that that in

1868
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,360
fact

1869
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:21,760
in some universe the cat is dead all the

1870
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:23,520
time in another universe the cat is

1871
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:24,560
alive all the time

1872
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:26,719
and when we open that box we split the

1873
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:28,080
universe off

1874
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:30,400
into one particular version of the

1875
01:20:33,470 --> 01:20:31,280
universe

1876
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:33,480
that's how lost they are that's how

1877
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:35,360
absolutely

1878
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:38,480
lost one has to be

1879
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:41,760
in order to hold on to this idea of

1880
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:46,080
reductionism the other alternative

1881
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:49,120
is even scarier for most people

1882
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:52,080
the other alternative is that the world

1883
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:54,639
does not reduce to the particles and

1884
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,120
fields and equations of physics

1885
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:59,280
that there is something actually

1886
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:00,560
operative

1887
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:04,400
in the world that yields the world that

1888
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:04,719
we

1889
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:08,639
live in and is superior is above in a

1890
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:10,239
causative sense

1891
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:12,480
the causation that collapses the wave

1892
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,360
function

1893
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:16,080
is not bubbling up from below as the

1894
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:17,440
reductionist

1895
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:21,280
theory would require but something above

1896
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:24,400
that level this causation emanating from

1897
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:27,280
above the level of quantum mechanics

1898
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:29,280
that collapses the wave function

1899
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:32,719
and yields the world in which every cat

1900
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:35,600
is either dead or alive so the question

1901
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:37,360
is real simple

1902
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:41,040
is reality quantum in nature

1903
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:44,880
or is reality not quantum in nature

1904
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:50,870
this question is of such profound

1905
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:52,400
importance

1906
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:56,560
it is far it will determine the future

1907
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:00,560
to a far greater extent than copernicus

1908
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:03,440
changed the future with his heliocentric

1909
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:05,520
theory that changed the entire picture

1910
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:06,719
of the world

1911
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:08,560
how we answer this question about

1912
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:11,440
quantum reality will determine the kind

1913
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:12,320
of world

1914
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,239
that our children and their children

1915
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:17,040
grow up in do we

1916
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:19,280
do the physicists and the quantum

1917
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:20,239
mechanics

1918
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:23,280
side of things do they wield

1919
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:26,080
too much power and before you answer

1920
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:26,960
that

1921
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:34,790
we and i'm talking about the status quo

1922
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:35,920
the average person

1923
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:39,760
right i can't interpret the algorithms i

1924
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:41,840
can't interpret the math

1925
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:44,960
uh we depend on the physicists

1926
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:48,719
in these equations to represent those

1927
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:52,400
to us in theatrics right to explain

1928
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:55,280
what these uh what these numbers and

1929
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:56,800
symbols mean

1930
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:59,440
we don't know do they wield too much

1931
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:01,520
power because of that

1932
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:04,639
they absolutely do it it's analogous i

1933
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:05,040
think

1934
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:09,040
to um look at the world that we had

1935
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,199
before the enlightenment

1936
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:13,920
the magic box in that world was the

1937
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:16,719
catholic magisterium

1938
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:19,040
the catholic church was it was in

1939
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:20,000
possession of

1940
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:23,920
oracular knowledge direct from

1941
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:27,600
god and any question

1942
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:31,360
that impinged upon the catholic

1943
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:35,360
faith would be in solidly

1944
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:39,199
uh ex-postulated punishable

1945
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:42,080
right and the world would would operate

1946
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:43,120
based on that

1947
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:45,199
in other words that's where we went for

1948
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:46,239
our answers

1949
01:23:53,110 --> 01:23:49,760
right now my question to you is

1950
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:53,120
did they have too much power well i can

1951
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:54,400
certainly think of

1952
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:56,320
uh several people who would probably

1953
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:57,760
argue that in fact they

1954
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,080
did i think galileo would have something

1955
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:02,000
to say about that i think he would and

1956
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:03,600
and and certainly bruno

1957
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,800
bruno bruno he actually got away

1958
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,560
got got off pretty easy i mean he lived

1959
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:11,280
in luxury apartments for a few years

1960
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:14,480
bruno burned yes he got toasted yes

1961
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:16,320
and so here's the thing now i have

1962
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:19,520
looked at this very carefully and i have

1963
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:22,560
i have my own very deep conclusions on

1964
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:23,040
this

1965
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:26,400
which i rigorously try to separate

1966
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:29,280
from any of the work that i do right

1967
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:30,719
here and right now

1968
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:34,000
because at the end of the day

1969
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:37,679
i have no right to insist that you

1970
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jimmy believe what i believe

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because i tell you i'm sure i'm right

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about it

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i can be as convinced as possible that i

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am right

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the problem comes when i try to say

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jimmy

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for your own good now

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01:25:01,870 --> 01:25:00,560
going to have to ask you to sign this

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01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:01,880
piece of paper

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unfortunately we no longer

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live in a world

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where that's possible and

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01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:15,199
the reaction against that was precisely

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enlightenment science and

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01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:21,440
the scientists said we will no longer

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accept

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on authority answers to questions

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01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:31,360
which we propose can be better answered

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by experimental tests

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that is the most radical idea since the

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gospels

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and the simplest and the simplest

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right and here's here's the irony jimmy

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the pendulum has swung all the way

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over to the other extreme our miracles

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come from laboratories

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our oracles are the scientists

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and what have they done well quite

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predictably

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what they have done is they have created

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01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:08,960
for themselves a

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01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:11,920
monumental propaganda apparatus to make

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sure

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nobody questions them especially on

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fundamental issues issues like

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where does the universe come from right

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how does the universe operate

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these are questions which have become

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the province

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of the enlightenment research project

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and

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not so much of a secret

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for most people it still is but i can

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tell you for sure

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that the world story that the

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enlightenment has with fanatical

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01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:52,560
brilliance

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developed over the past four centuries

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has

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it no longer coheres we

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do not have in the

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materialist reductionist scientific

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enterprise

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a coherent explanation for any of the

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01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:17,360
questions

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01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:20,080
that we have entrusted this research

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01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:20,960
program

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to give us the answers to i'll give you

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an example

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i would say that at least 90 percent of

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the

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01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:31,679
people listening to my voice right now

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01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:33,920
were taught in school

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that there was this thing called the big

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bang

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and it happened well when it happened it

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changes every

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every time they send up a new satellite

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the amount of years changes

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but it's the order of magnitude stays

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about the same

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something around 13.6 13.8

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01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:54,320
billion years ago

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01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:57,679
this thing called the big bang happened

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and every single thing that has

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occurred since then

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in terms of the motions of objects

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in this universe can

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01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:15,760
implicitly be scientifically calculated

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01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:18,800
based on our present understanding of

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01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:20,239
physics

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and anybody who doesn't believe that is

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either a

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crackpot or a pseudoscientist

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01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:30,719
or a religious nut that's essentially

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the vel

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01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,560
glove

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do you think it's changed yeah do you

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think it's changing

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01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:40,800
uh it's over it's not only changing

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01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:43,520
their own story doesn't hold

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01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:46,480
together even approximately anymore let

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01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:47,120
me give you

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01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:50,080
just a couple of brief examples sure

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01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:50,560
okay

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01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:52,639
so the big bang happened 13.8 billion

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01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:56,080
years ago and we know that because

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01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:59,120
tell us yeah well because it has to have

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01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:00,239
been circulating

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because that's how long it would take

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for

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the primeval uh singularity

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to reach the point where we would see a

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01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:11,920
universe that looks like this one oh

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01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:13,520
well that's very impressive

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01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:15,679
how do you know that well we have

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einstein's theory

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01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:20,320
of gravitation general relativity oh

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01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:23,120
well wait a minute you're telling me

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01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:25,120
that einstein's theory of gravitation

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01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:28,960
predicts the sky that we observe

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01:29:33,669 --> 01:29:32,080
well not exactly we're a little bit off

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01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:33,679
we need to add a couple of

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01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:36,480
things in or really like what well we

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01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:38,719
need to add in uh some missing matter

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01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:40,639
because we're a little bit off we can't

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01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:41,120
quite

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01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:43,840
get the gravitational formulas to work

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01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:45,600
based on the matter we see in our

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01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:47,600
telescopes oh so how much are you up

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01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:50,480
a percent two percent well it's a little

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01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:51,600
more than that

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01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:54,639
well how much more well frankly we're

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01:30:02,310 --> 01:29:58,880
off by 95.9

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what are you kidding me you have to add

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01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:07,590
95.9

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01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:10,560
of the mass and energy of the universe

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of everything

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01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:16,880
einstein's equations work

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yes and they're only they're only at

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that

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01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:24,080
point now right

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01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:26,320
they're at that point now and there's

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01:30:28,790 --> 01:30:27,199
one other thing

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01:30:31,110 --> 01:30:28,800
we're up against a break i've only got

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01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:31,120
30 seconds but

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01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:34,000
if we go back to when einstein was here

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01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,520
right southern california

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01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:37,679
mount wilson up there with hollywood oh

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01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:39,440
yeah i i've been to that

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01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:42,480
i've sat in the chair he sat in and

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01:30:47,110 --> 01:30:45,199
and einstein didn't believe it until he

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01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:47,120
looked in that telescope and started to

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01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:50,639
see what hubble was seeing and measuring

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01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:53,040
and and even einstein he thought

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01:30:57,110 --> 01:30:54,719
everything was static up to that point

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01:30:58,390 --> 01:30:57,120
he was exactly right that's right that's

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exactly right

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and it took it it was it was hubble blew

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the entire

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01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:06,400
he blew he he blew his own mind

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01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:10,159
hubble was the one who saw all of these

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01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:11,120
redshifts

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01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:13,679
everywhere he looked in the sky and he

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01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:16,159
was smart enough to realize

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01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:20,000
okay if if everything that i can

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01:31:25,990 --> 01:31:24,239
see in all directions is moving away

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01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:26,000
from me

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01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:29,520
faster what what does that tell us

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01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:32,880
about where i am in relation to

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01:31:36,629 --> 01:31:36,080
all that stuff it was an incredible

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01:31:38,149 --> 01:31:36,639
thing

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01:31:40,070 --> 01:31:38,159
yeah go ahead it tells me that i am

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01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:40,080
directly in the freaking

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01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:43,120
center of all that stuff

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01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:46,080
and this freaked him out so badly in his

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01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:46,719
book uh

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01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:47,920
of the observational approach to

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01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:50,000
cosmology he literally has

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01:31:53,229 --> 01:31:52,080
sort of a nervous breakdown trying to

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01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:53,239
say this is

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01:31:58,870 --> 01:31:56,560
intolerable we have to find some way to

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01:32:02,390 --> 01:31:58,880
explain this there has to be

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01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:02,400
some other answer because

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01:32:06,550 --> 01:32:05,520
the simplest answer to what i see in my

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01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:06,560
telescope

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01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:09,600
tells us that the ancient idea of earth

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01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:12,239
in the center of the universe is exactly

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01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:14,719
what my telescope is telling me let's

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take our break right here rick i got to

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01:32:19,910 --> 01:32:17,679
jump in

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01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:19,920
we're against a hard break this is fade

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01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:20,719
to black

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01:32:25,669 --> 01:32:23,440
i am your host jimmy church tonight rick

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delano we are talking about his new film

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it is out now the end of quantum

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reality i'm yours jimmy church this is

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i'm your host jimmy church our guest

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01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:13,360
tonight rick delano and we're talking

2277
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:15,360
about his new film the end of quantum

2278
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:16,000
reality

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01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:19,119
and before the break when uh we're

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01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:20,000
discussing

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01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:22,800
these amazing uh discoveries that

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01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:23,840
happened all the way back

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01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:27,440
in 1922 with edwin hubble and convincing

2284
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:29,679
albert einstein that the universe was

2285
01:38:34,229 --> 01:38:31,360
not only expanding

2286
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:34,239
and not static but it was speeding up

2287
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:36,239
and all of this wasn't confirmed as we

2288
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:37,840
know now today rick

2289
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:41,360
all the way until 1998 and and today the

2290
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:43,119
discussion is about

2291
01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:45,679
uh what is actually doing this and you

2292
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:46,320
know dark

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01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:48,560
energy we can't see it we can't measure

2294
01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:50,560
it but this is actually

2295
01:38:55,830 --> 01:38:53,679
what is happening right now and

2296
01:38:57,189 --> 01:38:55,840
and that's where we are today and i'm

2297
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:57,199
not sure that

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01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:59,520
uh the physicists and astrophysicists

2299
01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:01,119
out there in the world can even answer

2300
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:03,679
these questions

2301
01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:06,480
well it's it's even worse than that

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01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:08,159
jimmy

2303
01:39:15,109 --> 01:39:11,679
these ideas dark matter and dark energy

2304
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:15,119
we are constantly treated to expositions

2305
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:17,520
about what these things might be

2306
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:19,760
it's admitted that yes strangely enough

2307
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:22,560
we haven't found the slightest evidence

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01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:25,199
for either of these things which by the

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01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,920
way make up 95.9

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01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,679
of the massive energy in the universe in

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01:39:33,510 --> 01:39:31,280
other words

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01:39:36,790 --> 01:39:33,520
the mainstream science story today

2313
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:36,800
requires us to believe

2314
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:41,520
that we are unable to detect

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01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:45,280
what constitutes 96 of the universe

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01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:48,480
just that we can observe now that's

2317
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:50,960
pretty disquieting to me

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01:39:55,910 --> 01:39:53,360
but okay let's say for the sake of

2319
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:55,920
argument that that's just the way it is

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01:40:02,950 --> 01:39:59,360
we have 95.9 percent

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01:40:03,910 --> 01:40:02,960
95.9 of the mass energy budget of the

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01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:03,920
universe

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01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:06,880
that has so far managed to escape the

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01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:07,280
most

2325
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:10,400
exquisite attempts to detect them

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01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:14,400
okay what's the other possibility that

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01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:15,040
no one

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01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:18,320
ever talks about the other possibility

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01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:19,360
jimmy

2330
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:22,960
is that dark energy and dark matter

2331
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:26,080
are simply terms

2332
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:29,600
added into the einstein equations

2333
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:35,440
to bridge the otherwise insuperable gap

2334
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:39,119
between theory and observation

2335
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:41,920
in other words the other possibility is

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01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:43,040
that our theories

2337
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:45,920
are wrong that's right and we are and we

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01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:47,360
are patching them

2339
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:52,400
up with these hand-waving appeals

2340
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:56,080
to dark matter and dark energy because

2341
01:41:02,790 --> 01:40:59,360
we know they have to be there

2342
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:02,800
otherwise our theories

2343
01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:06,239
are drastically falsified

2344
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:09,440
by direct observation now this second

2345
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:10,560
possibility

2346
01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:14,560
is essentially never talked about

2347
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:16,840
as a matter of fact you even raise this

2348
01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:18,400
possibility

2349
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:22,480
is to earn yourself a stern

2350
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:26,800
rebuke as you know either a crackpot or

2351
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:28,880
a pseudo-scientist or a religious

2352
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:29,920
fundamentalist

2353
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:33,520
to even raise these questions now

2354
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:37,679
is in very many of the other circles

2355
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:39,600
it's just not done in polite society

2356
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:41,360
well i reject that

2357
01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:44,719
um after many years of looking at this

2358
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:47,440
both in the principle and then even more

2359
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:48,400
so

2360
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:51,520
with wolfgang smith in the new film i

2361
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:52,960
consider it to be

2362
01:42:00,390 --> 01:41:57,119
much more than merely possible

2363
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:00,400
that what we are really seeing

2364
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:03,920
in the cutting edge

2365
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:07,040
developments of both cosmology and the

2366
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:08,960
particle physics

2367
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:12,480
is a clear sign that we have reached

2368
01:42:17,669 --> 01:42:15,520
a dead end that the

2369
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:17,679
enlightenment scientific research

2370
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:18,639
program

2371
01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:23,199
has reached its reductio ad absurdum

2372
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:26,080
that in order to maintain their theories

2373
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:27,440
now

2374
01:42:32,830 --> 01:42:30,639
we must postulate wave our hands and

2375
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:32,840
bring into existence

2376
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:35,360
95.9 percent of the mass energy budget

2377
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:36,480
of the universe

2378
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:39,679
we must postulate a world that

2379
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:43,040
splits off into as many copies of itself

2380
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:45,280
as there were possible values to a

2381
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:46,719
quantum measurement

2382
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:49,840
trillions upon octillions upon

2383
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:52,480
google plex millions of worlds every

2384
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:55,520
time we blink our eyes

2385
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:58,159
i hope you will forgive me if i am less

2386
01:43:02,629 --> 01:42:59,600
than persuaded

2387
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:02,639
by these appeals how is it

2388
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:05,520
yes and and and this is the point that i

2389
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:07,600
keep trying to drive home not only with

2390
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:08,239
myself

2391
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:10,560
but with our our audience who is very

2392
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:11,600
smart

2393
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:15,040
is that the very smugness

2394
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:18,880
that we get when these types of

2395
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:22,639
questions are raised i find offensive

2396
01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:26,000
but yet indicative of a great

2397
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:29,520
deal of circle the wagons from telling

2398
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:31,760
you i've seen it before

2399
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:34,560
when you look at the galileo trial when

2400
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:36,880
you look at the brutal trial

2401
01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:40,400
and you look at the general attitude

2402
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:42,080
that was taken in the face of these

2403
01:43:46,709 --> 01:43:43,600
things

2404
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:46,719
you you sense that at a certain point

2405
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:50,159
power naturally begins to circle the

2406
01:43:55,109 --> 01:43:51,520
wagons

2407
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:55,119
and rather than maintain a commitment to

2408
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:58,960
truth and search for it they maintain a

2409
01:44:02,629 --> 01:43:59,600
commitment

2410
01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:02,639
to the protection and perpetuation

2411
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:06,239
of a status quo that keeps the rice

2412
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:07,040
bowls

2413
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:10,400
filled and i'm sorry to say uh

2414
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:12,880
i'm not all that surprised but i think

2415
01:44:16,870 --> 01:44:13,440
we are

2416
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:16,880
well into the circle the wagons phase

2417
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:20,480
in terms of the world story that has

2418
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:24,000
uh sort of become the de facto

2419
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:27,600
uh belief of of of the vast majority of

2420
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:28,880
humanity

2421
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:30,880
their theories are failing their

2422
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:31,920
theories are

2423
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:34,719
regularly now being patched up

2424
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:36,400
frantically

2425
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:37,920
almost every time there's a new

2426
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:40,639
observation now there's a new theory

2427
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:44,080
um you mentioned in 1998 when the uh

2428
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:47,280
the nobel prize was given uh

2429
01:44:53,430 --> 01:44:50,800
to um martin reese uh

2430
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:53,440
uh at cambridge and his associates for

2431
01:44:58,430 --> 01:44:54,719
discovering

2432
01:45:02,310 --> 01:44:58,440
what was at the time termed the

2433
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:02,320
accelerating expansion of the universe

2434
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:05,199
well this is running into just

2435
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:06,000
absolutely

2436
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:09,520
drastic problems now what you're talking

2437
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:11,119
about when you talk about the expansion

2438
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:12,400
of the universe is something called the

2439
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:12,960
hubble

2440
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:17,199
constant and this is a number

2441
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:20,880
that allows us to calculate

2442
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:24,639
the rate of expansion of the universe

2443
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:28,159
and what reason his fellow uh thinkers

2444
01:45:33,270 --> 01:45:31,679
did was they measured the what they call

2445
01:45:36,070 --> 01:45:33,280
the standard candles

2446
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:36,080
the type 1 supernova the type 1a

2447
01:45:39,189 --> 01:45:37,440
supernova

2448
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:39,199
and they determined from these

2449
01:45:43,750 --> 01:45:40,880
observations

2450
01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:43,760
that not only was the universe expanding

2451
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:45,440
which had been accepted back when hubble

2452
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:47,040
and einstein sat down

2453
01:45:53,669 --> 01:45:50,480
up on top of mount wilson but

2454
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:53,679
completely shockingly it's

2455
01:45:57,109 --> 01:45:55,840
it's accelerating in its expansion

2456
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:57,119
that's a real problem

2457
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:01,119
you see gravity should be slowing down

2458
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:04,320
that expansion there is no force that we

2459
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:05,440
can even

2460
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,520
suspect that would cause it to speed up

2461
01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:11,520
this would be by far the most powerful

2462
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:13,600
force in the universe and we have never

2463
01:46:19,030 --> 01:46:14,400
been able

2464
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:19,040
to detect it at all we can only infer it

2465
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:21,280
from the fact that these observations of

2466
01:46:25,990 --> 01:46:22,960
the standard candles

2467
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:26,000
seemed to imply an accelerating

2468
01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:28,400
expansion well ever since that

2469
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:29,760
observation was made

2470
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:31,840
more and more problems were started prop

2471
01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:33,119
up there are

2472
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:36,239
two different schools that measure this

2473
01:46:39,189 --> 01:46:38,159
hubble constant based on two different

2474
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:39,199
methods

2475
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:41,840
their answers are drastically at odds

2476
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:42,960
with one another

2477
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:45,920
they are both absolutely rigorous

2478
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:47,920
perfectly scientifically valid in their

2479
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:49,040
approaches

2480
01:46:53,669 --> 01:46:52,080
and they yield absolutely contradictory

2481
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:53,679
values for the hubble constant

2482
01:46:59,109 --> 01:46:57,119
this is such a big deal that if you get

2483
01:46:59,430 --> 01:46:59,119
these guys to loosen their ties a little

2484
01:47:03,109 --> 01:46:59,440
bit

2485
01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:03,119
they will tell you we really do not have

2486
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:06,400
a standard model of cosmology anymore

2487
01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:10,320
the data simply do not fit

2488
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:12,560
the story that we have told now this is

2489
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:14,159
a big problem

2490
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:16,639
because when you have science elevated

2491
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:19,280
to the level of authority and prestige

2492
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:20,639
which it has

2493
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:23,760
arguably very validly obtained

2494
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:27,360
it doesn't do at all to let

2495
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:29,280
the average person out there in the

2496
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:31,679
street start to suspect that the whole

2497
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:32,880
darned edifice

2498
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:36,080
has begun to collapse nevertheless jimmy

2499
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:39,119
i can tell you the whole darned edifice

2500
01:47:45,590 --> 01:47:43,040
has begun to collapse this is requiring

2501
01:47:49,750 --> 01:47:45,600
of us at this point

2502
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:49,760
a tremendous growth

2503
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:53,920
in our ability to separate out

2504
01:48:00,390 --> 01:47:58,080
what is actually scientifically provable

2505
01:48:02,390 --> 01:48:00,400
from that which is simply wrapped up in

2506
01:48:04,709 --> 01:48:02,400
the label of science

2507
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:04,719
and put on the store shelves next to

2508
01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:05,840
science

2509
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:07,840
but which is nothing other than

2510
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:10,320
metaphysical speculation

2511
01:48:14,629 --> 01:48:13,199
and i can tell you for sure the vast

2512
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:14,639
majority of the world

2513
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:18,400
story we tell ourselves is not science

2514
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:22,480
it is metaphysical speculation based

2515
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:25,360
upon the assumption that our fundamental

2516
01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:25,920
theories

2517
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:29,360
are correct even though our observations

2518
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:31,440
are continually throwing that into the

2519
01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:33,199
gravest doubt

2520
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:36,159
and and i think the the point that

2521
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:38,080
everybody should understand

2522
01:48:41,590 --> 01:48:40,159
and we've gotten away from it rick and i

2523
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:41,600
don't know why

2524
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:44,880
but you you bring it up that science

2525
01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:47,679
is nothing more than a series of

2526
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:48,480
corrections

2527
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:51,600
that's all it is right right copernicus

2528
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:54,960
galileo bruno einstein

2529
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:57,840
einstein's been corrected many times

2530
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,639
newton

2531
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:00,400
you know this is the most important

2532
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:03,840
point jimmy i'm so glad you said this

2533
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:06,800
there is something very special

2534
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:07,600
beautiful

2535
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:10,960
and powerful about the scientific method

2536
01:49:16,870 --> 01:49:14,159
that is absolutely unique to

2537
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:16,880
the scientific method it's why science

2538
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:17,360
has had

2539
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,480
such a magnificent run over the last

2540
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:22,320
three centuries

2541
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:25,199
science is self-correcting at least it's

2542
01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:26,560
supposed to be

2543
01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:29,760
how is it self-correcting in exactly

2544
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:33,440
this way jimmy if you publish a paper

2545
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:35,119
tomorrow

2546
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:38,320
that makes a profound

2547
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,239
new hypothesis about how we can resolve

2548
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:44,480
the the contradictions in the hubble

2549
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:45,440
constant right

2550
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:48,639
okay if

2551
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:52,239
your theory doesn't stand up

2552
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:55,440
to experimental caste

2553
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:57,760
it doesn't matter how beautiful the math

2554
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:58,639
is

2555
01:50:02,390 --> 01:50:00,960
it doesn't matter how many phds have

2556
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:02,400
praised it

2557
01:50:05,589 --> 01:50:04,320
doesn't matter how many votes it gets in

2558
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:05,599
an internet poll

2559
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:07,280
it doesn't matter how many copies it

2560
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:09,199
sold on the new york times bestseller

2561
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:10,080
list

2562
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:13,199
none of that matters

2563
01:50:18,669 --> 01:50:16,400
at all what matters

2564
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,679
is what happened when you tested it

2565
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:20,000
experimentally

2566
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:23,040
that's the only vote that counts or that

2567
01:50:28,070 --> 01:50:24,560
is supposed to count

2568
01:50:29,109 --> 01:50:28,080
in science as long as science allowed

2569
01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:29,119
itself to be

2570
01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:33,280
guided by that beautiful and terrible

2571
01:50:38,070 --> 01:50:35,679
principle imagine all the beautiful

2572
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:38,080
ideas that died along the way that's

2573
01:50:43,750 --> 01:50:38,880
right

2574
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:43,760
hear it over and over again

2575
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:47,040
when uh

2576
01:50:50,830 --> 01:50:48,320
how many times have we heard about

2577
01:50:55,990 --> 01:50:50,840
multi-world's parallel worlds the

2578
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:58,070
well you know measurement is the issue

2579
01:51:03,910 --> 01:51:01,040
uh well uh okay wait a minute here

2580
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:03,920
you want me you're exactly right this is

2581
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:04,960
so profound

2582
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:11,520
science departs now i want to believe

2583
01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:14,320
justification but i want to believe i

2584
01:51:18,229 --> 01:51:15,119
want to believe

2585
01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:18,239
i have faith these guys have a very good

2586
01:51:20,870 --> 01:51:18,880
argument

2587
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,880
how can you test this you can't you have

2588
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:22,400
to trust the mathematics

2589
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:25,119
right right the mathematics is giving us

2590
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:27,360
the answer and even if we can't test it

2591
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:28,480
experimentally

2592
01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:31,199
the math has been so good for so long

2593
01:51:34,149 --> 01:51:33,440
and look at how beautiful this equation

2594
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:34,159
is

2595
01:51:39,990 --> 01:51:37,360
it's too good not to be true

2596
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:40,000
and i'm telling you this is the end of

2597
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:41,199
the line

2598
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:43,520
for the authentic scientific method i

2599
01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:44,239
don't care

2600
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:47,280
how good your justification is if you

2601
01:51:53,750 --> 01:51:50,560
propose as a solution to an

2602
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:53,760
observed problem something which

2603
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:57,520
cannot even in principle be subjected to

2604
01:52:02,470 --> 01:51:59,440
a crucial experimental test

2605
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:02,480
you are no longer doing

2606
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:05,520
science stop calling it science call it

2607
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:08,159
scientifically based metaphysics

2608
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:10,320
but stop wrapping it up in the label

2609
01:52:15,589 --> 01:52:12,560
science and putting it up on the shelf

2610
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:15,599
next to newton's gravitational laws they

2611
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:16,480
are not

2612
01:52:23,430 --> 01:52:19,840
the same thing and this is

2613
01:52:28,709 --> 01:52:23,440
the big issue here

2614
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:28,719
science authentic science real science

2615
01:52:34,629 --> 01:52:32,719
has gone far beyond

2616
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:34,639
experimental crucial tests for a long

2617
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:36,320
time now

2618
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:38,800
you hear about uh string theory for

2619
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:40,400
example i was going to bring that up

2620
01:52:43,830 --> 01:52:41,760
yeah okay well done

2621
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:43,840
well done i'm not a mathematician

2622
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:46,159
wolfgang is a doctor of mathematics

2623
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:48,320
and i don't understand the first bloody

2624
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:49,440
thing

2625
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:51,760
about these equations of string theory i

2626
01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:53,840
am told by people who do

2627
01:52:59,870 --> 01:52:56,639
that they are almost astonishing in

2628
01:53:03,109 --> 01:52:59,880
their beauty that these equations are so

2629
01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:03,119
profoundly beautiful elegant and

2630
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:06,639
employ the same types of insights that

2631
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:08,960
have given us so many breakthroughs in

2632
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:10,320
the past

2633
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:14,320
that ultimately the argument is

2634
01:53:18,870 --> 01:53:17,520
this is too good not to be true it has

2635
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:18,880
to be true

2636
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:22,000
because there's no other way

2637
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:25,199
there's no competing approach

2638
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:27,920
that could yield such elegance such

2639
01:53:32,390 --> 01:53:28,880
symmetry

2640
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:32,400
such power in our mathematics

2641
01:53:36,629 --> 01:53:35,280
and you know what wolfgang told me a

2642
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:36,639
long time ago he said

2643
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:40,480
that is death the minute that you say

2644
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:42,080
that your equation is

2645
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:45,679
so good that it doesn't have to pass

2646
01:53:51,669 --> 01:53:49,360
experimental test you have departed from

2647
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:51,679
the authentic scientific method

2648
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:55,679
you are now engaged in constructing

2649
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:58,719
a metaphysical story

2650
01:54:03,990 --> 01:54:01,679
you are not engaged in constructing a

2651
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:04,000
testable scientific theory

2652
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:06,000
and of course with the multiverse that's

2653
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:07,679
exactly what we have

2654
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:09,840
why do they believe in the multiverse

2655
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:12,000
because it's the only way

2656
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:14,719
that they can even approximately account

2657
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:17,040
for the one universe we do observe

2658
01:54:19,669 --> 01:54:18,080
that's right there have to be an

2659
01:54:21,589 --> 01:54:19,679
infinity of other ones because this

2660
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:21,599
one's too unlikely

2661
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:24,639
this one is just too finely tuned

2662
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,239
this one is just too precise and perfect

2663
01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:30,719
to have been anything other than the one

2664
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:32,480
lucky lottery ticket in a

2665
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:35,679
whole quintillion of other

2666
01:54:40,709 --> 01:54:38,159
unlucky lottery tickets well what

2667
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:40,719
evidence do we have of that

2668
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:44,080
none right what so ever

2669
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:46,800
well what evidence could there ever be

2670
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:47,840
of that

2671
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:50,960
none whatsoever how can you experiment

2672
01:54:54,550 --> 01:54:52,159
upon the universe

2673
01:54:57,589 --> 01:54:54,560
that is causally disconnected from this

2674
01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:57,599
one what observation can you possibly

2675
01:55:03,990 --> 01:55:01,280
do you can't do one even in principle

2676
01:55:05,109 --> 01:55:04,000
so we are now engaged at the moment of

2677
01:55:07,510 --> 01:55:05,119
truth

2678
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:07,520
where either we sail through the looking

2679
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:09,920
diaz into the never never land of the

2680
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:12,560
multiverse and many worlds

2681
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:16,080
or we stop and we say

2682
01:55:24,870 --> 01:55:23,350
then there has to be a mistake somewhere

2683
01:55:28,070 --> 01:55:24,880
back along the line

2684
01:55:28,470 --> 01:55:28,080
we have to have made a mistake because

2685
01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:28,480
by

2686
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:30,880
following the theories that we thought

2687
01:55:35,669 --> 01:55:32,639
were true

2688
01:55:39,270 --> 01:55:35,679
we have arrived at a reductio

2689
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:39,280
ad absurdum that can never be tested

2690
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:42,239
we literally are reduced in a very real

2691
01:55:45,830 --> 01:55:43,440
sense

2692
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:45,840
to arguing for the next few hundred

2693
01:55:49,030 --> 01:55:46,719
years

2694
01:55:49,750 --> 01:55:49,040
how many angels can dance on the head of

2695
01:55:51,350 --> 01:55:49,760
the pin

2696
01:55:53,589 --> 01:55:51,360
except this time it's how many

2697
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:53,599
multiverses does our math tell us there

2698
01:55:56,470 --> 01:55:54,480
must be

2699
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:56,480
even though we can never observe or test

2700
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:57,679
any single one of them

2701
01:56:01,589 --> 01:56:00,480
it's a profound moment in history there

2702
01:56:03,189 --> 01:56:01,599
is um

2703
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:03,199
we've got about five minutes i want to

2704
01:56:08,149 --> 01:56:05,920
stay on string theory for just a second

2705
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:08,159
because i keep going back to faith right

2706
01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:10,080
i'm not talking about religion

2707
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:12,960
but physicists are asking us to have

2708
01:56:15,510 --> 01:56:13,520
faith

2709
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:15,520
in what they are saying and when it

2710
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:17,040
comes to it's their best argument

2711
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:19,840
yeah that's right and so with with with

2712
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:21,360
brian greene

2713
01:56:26,149 --> 01:56:24,159
leading the charge on string theory this

2714
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:26,159
is where the faith for me pushes a bit

2715
01:56:29,990 --> 01:56:26,880
too far

2716
01:56:32,470 --> 01:56:30,000
in that uh the closer you go down

2717
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:32,480
and and this the vibrating strings are

2718
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:33,920
the basis of everything and

2719
01:56:37,589 --> 01:56:35,679
inside of that once we go a little bit

2720
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:37,599
further we have found

2721
01:56:43,109 --> 01:56:41,440
11 uh parallel uh dimensions

2722
01:56:45,109 --> 01:56:43,119
that are there now we we know about

2723
01:56:45,750 --> 01:56:45,119
space and time we know up and down and

2724
01:56:48,629 --> 01:56:45,760
depth and

2725
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:48,639
you know three and then four space time

2726
01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:51,040
okay but we need to extend that

2727
01:56:55,109 --> 01:56:54,000
and and i have to stop and go well wait

2728
01:56:57,270 --> 01:56:55,119
a minute

2729
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:57,280
how how big are these dimensions and

2730
01:57:00,950 --> 01:56:59,040
what exists there

2731
01:57:02,310 --> 01:57:00,960
and and well you know you have to

2732
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:02,320
understand that they're very

2733
01:57:08,550 --> 01:57:05,520
narrow but the math says that they

2734
01:57:09,270 --> 01:57:08,560
are there the math says that that's the

2735
01:57:11,990 --> 01:57:09,280
key right there

2736
01:57:14,070 --> 01:57:12,000
that's it i appreciate i i appreciate

2737
01:57:15,430 --> 01:57:14,080
you know when i when i listen to brian

2738
01:57:18,470 --> 01:57:15,440
and to uh

2739
01:57:22,229 --> 01:57:18,480
to others there's almost a poignant

2740
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:22,239
tone it has to be right

2741
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:24,719
because otherwise the whole emphasis is

2742
01:57:27,750 --> 01:57:25,760
going to collapse

2743
01:57:29,830 --> 01:57:27,760
and you're right about that you know

2744
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:29,840
absolutely right and i'm not slamming on

2745
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:30,960
brian

2746
01:57:34,870 --> 01:57:32,960
i'm not the problem is this jimmy here's

2747
01:57:38,550 --> 01:57:34,880
the problem

2748
01:57:42,550 --> 01:57:38,560
if your math requires me

2749
01:57:45,589 --> 01:57:42,560
to believe that something exists

2750
01:57:46,870 --> 01:57:45,599
despite the fact that there is not the

2751
01:57:51,030 --> 01:57:46,880
slightest

2752
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:51,040
actual evidence no for it

2753
01:57:56,550 --> 01:57:53,280
apart from the fact that your math

2754
01:58:00,550 --> 01:57:56,560
requires it to be there

2755
01:58:04,830 --> 01:58:00,560
you are no longer proposing science

2756
01:58:06,070 --> 01:58:04,840
to me you are proposing a metaphysical

2757
01:58:09,350 --> 01:58:06,080
mathematical

2758
01:58:09,669 --> 01:58:09,360
story all of these extra dimensions are

2759
01:58:12,550 --> 01:58:09,679
just

2760
01:58:16,070 --> 01:58:12,560
exactly like dark matter and dark energy

2761
01:58:19,350 --> 01:58:16,080
we talk about them as if they exist

2762
01:58:24,229 --> 01:58:19,360
they do not exist anywhere so far

2763
01:58:27,669 --> 01:58:26,310
that's right to make the math come out

2764
01:58:29,589 --> 01:58:27,679
right that's right

2765
01:58:30,790 --> 01:58:29,599
what if the theory is wrong and we're

2766
01:58:33,990 --> 01:58:30,800
just adding in

2767
01:58:38,149 --> 01:58:34,000
all of these dimensions and matter and

2768
01:58:40,870 --> 01:58:38,159
energy to save the appearances

2769
01:58:42,790 --> 01:58:40,880
of the theory you can do that forever

2770
01:58:43,669 --> 01:58:42,800
you can always have more angels dance on

2771
01:58:47,270 --> 01:58:43,679
the head of a pin

2772
01:58:50,550 --> 01:58:47,280
there's no limit the problem is

2773
01:58:53,629 --> 01:58:50,560
you are now departing the

2774
01:58:55,109 --> 01:58:53,639
key of true science which is

2775
01:58:59,109 --> 01:58:55,119
experimental

2776
01:59:03,270 --> 01:58:59,119
test and possible falsification

2777
01:59:06,870 --> 01:59:03,280
of your theory itself

2778
01:59:08,790 --> 01:59:06,880
yeah when we uh i can i can deal with

2779
01:59:11,750 --> 01:59:08,800
photons i can deal with protons

2780
01:59:13,669 --> 01:59:11,760
right i can deal with quarks i can deal

2781
01:59:16,149 --> 01:59:13,679
with strong and weak gravity

2782
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:16,159
i can deal with all of these things but

2783
01:59:20,629 --> 01:59:18,080
when we get into

2784
01:59:21,510 --> 01:59:20,639
vibrating strings and an extra seven

2785
01:59:24,709 --> 01:59:21,520
dimensions

2786
01:59:28,229 --> 01:59:24,719
that we can't see or measure they are

2787
01:59:31,270 --> 01:59:28,239
only in the math to make the math work

2788
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:31,280
that's where it's a leap of faith

2789
01:59:38,229 --> 01:59:34,320
it is indeed a leap of faith and

2790
01:59:42,870 --> 01:59:38,239
i would go even further i would argue

2791
01:59:46,870 --> 01:59:42,880
that the leap of faith required

2792
01:59:50,390 --> 01:59:46,880
is all together too much

2793
01:59:52,390 --> 01:59:50,400
that despite all of the triumphs

2794
01:59:53,510 --> 01:59:52,400
of the enlightenment scientific

2795
01:59:56,950 --> 01:59:53,520
enterprise and they are

2796
02:00:00,149 --> 01:59:56,960
magnificent believe me they are

2797
02:00:04,310 --> 02:00:00,159
none of those triumphs compels

2798
02:00:06,390 --> 02:00:04,320
us to accept the slightest bit

2799
02:00:07,350 --> 02:00:06,400
of what we are being told about many

2800
02:00:10,629 --> 02:00:07,360
worlds

2801
02:00:11,669 --> 02:00:10,639
and multiverses and dark matter and dark

2802
02:00:15,030 --> 02:00:11,679
energy

2803
02:00:19,030 --> 02:00:15,040
all of these things are in fact

2804
02:00:22,870 --> 02:00:19,040
patches ad hoc x post facto

2805
02:00:24,790 --> 02:00:22,880
patches added to the existing

2806
02:00:28,149 --> 02:00:24,800
theoretical structure

2807
02:00:31,270 --> 02:00:28,159
to prevent those structures from

2808
02:00:31,830 --> 02:00:31,280
collapsing in the case of contrary

2809
02:00:34,790 --> 02:00:31,840
evidence

2810
02:00:36,310 --> 02:00:34,800
that's right it's temporary yeah it's

2811
02:00:39,430 --> 02:00:36,320
temporary let's take our break right

2812
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here what a great conversation tonight

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what a great conversation rick delano

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we're talking about the new film

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the end of quantum reality when we come

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back the c

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word consciousness we'll get to all of

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[Music]

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[Applause]

2934
02:06:09,669 --> 02:06:07,510
welcome back fade to black i'm watching

2935
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twitter tonight

2936
02:06:13,750 --> 02:06:12,079
our guest rick delano we're talking

2937
02:06:16,149 --> 02:06:13,760
about his new film it's called the end

2938
02:06:17,189 --> 02:06:16,159
of quantum reality extraordinary piece

2939
02:06:20,229 --> 02:06:17,199
of work

2940
02:06:21,030 --> 02:06:20,239
and i just highly recommend it and you

2941
02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:21,040
know when i

2942
02:06:24,870 --> 02:06:23,760
say go that means go you've got to check

2943
02:06:28,149 --> 02:06:24,880
out the end of quantum

2944
02:06:31,030 --> 02:06:28,159
reality but also i'm watching in

2945
02:06:34,629 --> 02:06:31,040
twitter uh rick it's all your fault we

2946
02:06:38,069 --> 02:06:36,390
nothing but cat videos tonight

2947
02:06:41,189 --> 02:06:38,079
everybody's got their version of

2948
02:06:43,510 --> 02:06:41,199
schroedinger's cat now um uh

2949
02:06:44,870 --> 02:06:43,520
here's the deal the c word right

2950
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:44,880
consciousness

2951
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:48,800
um and one of i

2952
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:52,800
i i do this and i do this often

2953
02:06:57,830 --> 02:06:55,920
when i am watching uh

2954
02:06:59,510 --> 02:06:57,840
one of the rock stars you know get

2955
02:07:00,870 --> 02:06:59,520
interviewed and

2956
02:07:02,310 --> 02:07:00,880
and they're doing a presentation

2957
02:07:04,229 --> 02:07:02,320
whatever and and the question of

2958
02:07:08,069 --> 02:07:04,239
consciousness comes up

2959
02:07:11,350 --> 02:07:08,079
uh they squirm they get negative um

2960
02:07:14,149 --> 02:07:11,360
and they don't have an

2961
02:07:15,990 --> 02:07:14,159
answer and this is the thing and this is

2962
02:07:19,270 --> 02:07:16,000
my opinion

2963
02:07:20,229 --> 02:07:19,280
but they want us to accept parallel

2964
02:07:22,709 --> 02:07:20,239
worlds and

2965
02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:22,719
the multiverse and entanglement and

2966
02:07:28,550 --> 02:07:24,480
schrodinger's cat and

2967
02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:28,560
and uh a time travel right they want us

2968
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:29,040
to

2969
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:31,280
understand all of this because of the

2970
02:07:35,830 --> 02:07:32,880
equations and the way they

2971
02:07:37,270 --> 02:07:35,840
uh present themselves but the biggest

2972
02:07:39,430 --> 02:07:37,280
question of all

2973
02:07:40,709 --> 02:07:39,440
consciousness which gives them the

2974
02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:40,719
ability

2975
02:07:45,510 --> 02:07:43,840
to drone on and on which i appreciate

2976
02:07:46,709 --> 02:07:45,520
and i appreciate the science and i love

2977
02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:46,719
the science

2978
02:07:53,750 --> 02:07:50,400
but you can't dismiss one and have us

2979
02:07:55,109 --> 02:07:53,760
accept the other science fiction and i

2980
02:07:58,149 --> 02:07:55,119
find that completely

2981
02:08:01,030 --> 02:07:58,159
offensive um thank goodness for

2982
02:08:02,149 --> 02:08:01,040
dr wolfgang smith right where he's

2983
02:08:05,669 --> 02:08:02,159
willing to take this

2984
02:08:08,310 --> 02:08:05,679
head on and and the two communities

2985
02:08:11,109 --> 02:08:08,320
the spiritual one and the science one

2986
02:08:14,709 --> 02:08:11,119
are on their way to a train wreck

2987
02:08:18,870 --> 02:08:14,719
they are going to hit head on eventually

2988
02:08:20,550 --> 02:08:18,880
and we need science to now focus on this

2989
02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:20,560
well you're right you're exactly right

2990
02:08:25,109 --> 02:08:22,000
the train wreck is well

2991
02:08:28,390 --> 02:08:25,119
underway the train wreck comes

2992
02:08:32,149 --> 02:08:28,400
when the world story

2993
02:08:35,669 --> 02:08:32,159
no longer commands

2994
02:08:39,030 --> 02:08:35,679
enough acceptance

2995
02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:39,040
to qualify as the unifying principle of

2996
02:08:46,629 --> 02:08:41,520
our view of reality and we are

2997
02:08:48,950 --> 02:08:46,639
just at the beginning of that stage

2998
02:08:49,990 --> 02:08:48,960
where the present world story is falling

2999
02:08:54,149 --> 02:08:50,000
apart it no

3000
02:08:57,430 --> 02:08:54,159
longer stands up to its own standards

3001
02:09:01,510 --> 02:08:57,440
of credibility now the reason that

3002
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:01,520
wolfgang smith stands head and shoulders

3003
02:09:06,709 --> 02:09:04,480
above every one of the physicists that i

3004
02:09:10,629 --> 02:09:06,719
interviewed for the principal

3005
02:09:14,149 --> 02:09:10,639
and why i am absolutely persuaded that

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02:09:17,270 --> 02:09:14,159
100 or 200 years downstream here

3007
02:09:21,430 --> 02:09:17,280
everyone will know wolfgang smith's name

3008
02:09:24,950 --> 02:09:21,440
and no one will know max tag mark's name

3009
02:09:28,069 --> 02:09:24,960
it's because wolfgang smith

3010
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:28,079
is the only guy i know in the world

3011
02:09:35,510 --> 02:09:32,400
who has world class credentials

3012
02:09:40,229 --> 02:09:35,520
in mathematics and physics

3013
02:09:44,709 --> 02:09:40,239
used them professionally for decades

3014
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:44,719
and at the same time made contact

3015
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:48,480
with this remarkable notion

3016
02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:51,280
that everyone who lived before newton

3017
02:09:56,870 --> 02:09:52,800
wasn't a complete

3018
02:10:00,069 --> 02:09:56,880
dummy that we have essentially

3019
02:10:03,430 --> 02:10:00,079
walked away from 5 000 years

3020
02:10:07,589 --> 02:10:03,440
of human wisdom that was

3021
02:10:11,270 --> 02:10:07,599
acquired at immense cost

3022
02:10:12,069 --> 02:10:11,280
by geniuses in the millennia and

3023
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:12,079
centuries

3024
02:10:18,470 --> 02:10:15,360
before enlightenment science arose

3025
02:10:20,470 --> 02:10:18,480
in the world and wolfgang understood

3026
02:10:24,149 --> 02:10:20,480
very early in life that

3027
02:10:27,910 --> 02:10:24,159
science was not going to be able to

3028
02:10:29,510 --> 02:10:27,920
explain to us the totality of this

3029
02:10:33,510 --> 02:10:29,520
universe

3030
02:10:36,550 --> 02:10:33,520
because science you see is a magnificent

3031
02:10:40,229 --> 02:10:36,560
tool for examining that

3032
02:10:42,350 --> 02:10:40,239
portion of the universe that can be

3033
02:10:44,790 --> 02:10:42,360
described

3034
02:10:49,510 --> 02:10:44,800
quantitatively

3035
02:10:52,629 --> 02:10:49,520
science proceeds on the assumption

3036
02:10:56,550 --> 02:10:52,639
that the world ultimately reduces to

3037
02:10:59,589 --> 02:10:56,560
quantity to that which can be expressed

3038
02:11:02,790 --> 02:10:59,599
in a mathematical equation

3039
02:11:04,709 --> 02:11:02,800
that is a gigantic assumption it was

3040
02:11:06,470 --> 02:11:04,719
quite useful to get science off the

3041
02:11:08,950 --> 02:11:06,480
launch pad

3042
02:11:11,470 --> 02:11:08,960
but what wolfgang understood very early

3043
02:11:14,790 --> 02:11:11,480
on was that this is a

3044
02:11:17,990 --> 02:11:14,800
completely ridiculous

3045
02:11:22,390 --> 02:11:18,000
notion the world in fact

3046
02:11:24,950 --> 02:11:22,400
does not reduce to quantity

3047
02:11:26,709 --> 02:11:24,960
as a matter of fact the vast majority of

3048
02:11:29,109 --> 02:11:26,719
the world that matters to us

3049
02:11:32,310 --> 02:11:29,119
as human beings can't be expressed

3050
02:11:34,149 --> 02:11:32,320
quantitatively at all

3051
02:11:37,189 --> 02:11:34,159
there are people listening to my voice

3052
02:11:39,109 --> 02:11:37,199
who love their wives and children and

3053
02:11:41,990 --> 02:11:39,119
husbands

3054
02:11:42,709 --> 02:11:42,000
there is no equation to express that

3055
02:11:45,270 --> 02:11:42,719
that's right

3056
02:11:47,589 --> 02:11:45,280
and yes the physicist when you really

3057
02:11:50,069 --> 02:11:47,599
pin him down is going to insist that

3058
02:11:52,390 --> 02:11:50,079
all of this is an illusion you see these

3059
02:11:56,550 --> 02:11:52,400
are just subjective

3060
02:12:00,709 --> 02:11:56,560
outcomes of neuron paths in our brains

3061
02:12:03,910 --> 02:12:00,719
which are constructing the illusion

3062
02:12:05,990 --> 02:12:03,920
of oh that's a beautiful sunset

3063
02:12:07,430 --> 02:12:06,000
no it isn't really it's just certain

3064
02:12:10,629 --> 02:12:07,440
wavelengths of light

3065
02:12:13,910 --> 02:12:10,639
being uh uh affected by the

3066
02:12:17,189 --> 02:12:13,920
refraction index of the atmosphere

3067
02:12:20,310 --> 02:12:17,199
you see that's an inadequate expression

3068
02:12:23,430 --> 02:12:20,320
of reality that is not

3069
02:12:26,709 --> 02:12:23,440
reality it is a component

3070
02:12:28,229 --> 02:12:26,719
of reality yes part of what makes that a

3071
02:12:31,669 --> 02:12:28,239
beautiful sunset

3072
02:12:34,149 --> 02:12:31,679
is the wavelengths of light being

3073
02:12:37,750 --> 02:12:34,159
refracted through the atmosphere that

3074
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:37,760
expresses the quantitative side

3075
02:12:42,550 --> 02:12:41,119
but it doesn't even begin to encompass

3076
02:12:45,669 --> 02:12:42,560
the truth

3077
02:12:49,350 --> 02:12:45,679
of what that sunset really is

3078
02:12:51,430 --> 02:12:49,360
wolfgang understood this early enough

3079
02:12:53,430 --> 02:12:51,440
and he was well educated in the hard

3080
02:12:54,629 --> 02:12:53,440
sciences and mathematical sciences

3081
02:12:56,950 --> 02:12:54,639
enough

3082
02:12:59,990 --> 02:12:56,960
to be able to do the most important

3083
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:00,000
thing it is possible to do right now

3084
02:13:03,990 --> 02:13:03,360
point the way forward to the inevitable

3085
02:13:10,870 --> 02:13:04,000
next

3086
02:13:11,669 --> 02:13:10,880
story the one that we will find

3087
02:13:15,830 --> 02:13:11,679
ourselves

3088
02:13:17,109 --> 02:13:15,840
constructing once the pillars really do

3089
02:13:20,310 --> 02:13:17,119
collapse

3090
02:13:21,669 --> 02:13:20,320
on the multiverse and many worlds

3091
02:13:23,350 --> 02:13:21,679
and that was going to look something

3092
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:23,360
like this according to wolfgang and i i

3093
02:13:29,270 --> 02:13:26,000
think he's right

3094
02:13:32,229 --> 02:13:29,280
physics will have to surrender its

3095
02:13:34,470 --> 02:13:32,239
totalist pretensions and and they were

3096
02:13:36,229 --> 02:13:34,480
always just an illusion anyway

3097
02:13:37,430 --> 02:13:36,239
this idea of the theory of everything or

3098
02:13:38,709 --> 02:13:37,440
an equation you were going to write down

3099
02:13:40,069 --> 02:13:38,719
on a t-shirt that would explain

3100
02:13:41,589 --> 02:13:40,079
everything in the universe that was

3101
02:13:45,270 --> 02:13:41,599
never anything other than an

3102
02:13:48,950 --> 02:13:45,280
illusion in the first place once science

3103
02:13:50,229 --> 02:13:48,960
surrenders its totalist pretensions

3104
02:13:52,229 --> 02:13:50,239
it'll be the best thing that ever

3105
02:13:55,750 --> 02:13:52,239
happened to it because it will then

3106
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:55,760
understand that its method is perfectly

3107
02:14:01,109 --> 02:13:57,360
situated

3108
02:14:05,030 --> 02:14:01,119
to explore that part of reality

3109
02:14:07,189 --> 02:14:05,040
that can be known through its methods

3110
02:14:09,030 --> 02:14:07,199
great news jimmy we get to keep our

3111
02:14:11,189 --> 02:14:09,040
computers our electric guitars

3112
02:14:12,390 --> 02:14:11,199
and our television sets we don't have to

3113
02:14:15,430 --> 02:14:12,400
give them up

3114
02:14:16,390 --> 02:14:15,440
well science can well okay we can

3115
02:14:22,950 --> 02:14:16,400
continue to

3116
02:14:24,229 --> 02:14:22,960
aspects of reality but these other

3117
02:14:26,550 --> 02:14:24,239
aspects

3118
02:14:27,270 --> 02:14:26,560
are not illusions they are not the

3119
02:14:30,390 --> 02:14:27,280
product of

3120
02:14:33,990 --> 02:14:30,400
neuronic neuronal interactions in

3121
02:14:36,550 --> 02:14:34,000
a brain they actually point

3122
02:14:38,069 --> 02:14:36,560
to that part of reality that humanity

3123
02:14:41,270 --> 02:14:38,079
has always known

3124
02:14:42,950 --> 02:14:41,280
is real what some would call the

3125
02:14:45,510 --> 02:14:42,960
spiritual

3126
02:14:46,709 --> 02:14:45,520
uh what wolfgang calls vertical

3127
02:14:51,830 --> 02:14:46,719
causation

3128
02:14:54,950 --> 02:14:51,840
from down at the bottom in the particles

3129
02:14:58,790 --> 02:14:54,960
but emanate from above from

3130
02:14:59,910 --> 02:14:58,800
higher domains and the knowledge that we

3131
02:15:02,310 --> 02:14:59,920
have acquired

3132
02:15:04,629 --> 02:15:02,320
from the great ancient schools

3133
02:15:07,550 --> 02:15:04,639
concerning these higher domains

3134
02:15:09,270 --> 02:15:07,560
are proving themselves to be absolutely

3135
02:15:12,470 --> 02:15:09,280
indispensable

3136
02:15:13,669 --> 02:15:12,480
in resolving for example schrodinger's

3137
02:15:18,629 --> 02:15:13,679
cat

3138
02:15:20,629 --> 02:15:18,639
dead or alive

3139
02:15:22,390 --> 02:15:20,639
when quantum mechanics tells us it is

3140
02:15:25,750 --> 02:15:22,400
both dead and alive

3141
02:15:29,350 --> 02:15:25,760
wolfgang smith can answer that question

3142
02:15:33,750 --> 02:15:29,360
because wolfgang smith understands

3143
02:15:37,910 --> 02:15:33,760
the nature of the ancient wisdom schools

3144
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:37,920
which dealt with the questions of being

3145
02:15:42,390 --> 02:15:39,840
there's no mathematical equation for

3146
02:15:43,510 --> 02:15:42,400
being there's no mathematical equation

3147
02:15:46,390 --> 02:15:43,520
for laughter

3148
02:15:48,830 --> 02:15:46,400
right doesn't exist yeah exactly these

3149
02:15:51,910 --> 02:15:48,840
are not illusions these are not

3150
02:15:55,510 --> 02:15:51,920
subjective illusions of

3151
02:15:58,790 --> 02:15:55,520
neurons in our brains we are actually

3152
02:16:02,790 --> 02:15:58,800
in a world where these things

3153
02:16:03,189 --> 02:16:02,800
are not only real they are more real and

3154
02:16:05,350 --> 02:16:03,199
more

3155
02:16:06,550 --> 02:16:05,360
fundamental than the physicists

3156
02:16:10,229 --> 02:16:06,560
equations

3157
02:16:12,709 --> 02:16:10,239
are real we explored

3158
02:16:13,510 --> 02:16:12,719
i'm sorry i interrupted you no no no go

3159
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:13,520
right ahead

3160
02:16:18,709 --> 02:16:15,840
this is what wolfgang is on to and this

3161
02:16:21,669 --> 02:16:18,719
is why i think that uh that he has

3162
02:16:22,709 --> 02:16:21,679
he's the first one to really point the

3163
02:16:24,629 --> 02:16:22,719
way forward here

3164
02:16:26,790 --> 02:16:24,639
he's way ahead of his time probably 40

3165
02:16:30,390 --> 02:16:26,800
years ahead of his time

3166
02:16:33,830 --> 02:16:30,400
but he has it we explored all of this

3167
02:16:34,709 --> 02:16:33,840
um in our new series it's called the h

3168
02:16:37,910 --> 02:16:34,719
factor

3169
02:16:41,110 --> 02:16:37,920
and pushing the envelope with uh

3170
02:16:42,469 --> 02:16:41,120
the transition of you know probably the

3171
02:16:44,549 --> 02:16:42,479
most fantastic

3172
02:16:45,669 --> 02:16:44,559
thing creation in the universe is the

3173
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:45,679
human brain

3174
02:16:51,990 --> 02:16:48,719
and and what what

3175
02:16:54,230 --> 02:16:52,000
you know how does consciousness arrive

3176
02:16:55,429 --> 02:16:54,240
from you know three and a half pounds of

3177
02:16:57,589 --> 02:16:55,439
gray goop

3178
02:16:59,669 --> 02:16:57,599
you know inside of our skulls but this

3179
02:17:00,389 --> 02:16:59,679
is this is the issue that i have with

3180
02:17:02,549 --> 02:17:00,399
that

3181
02:17:03,429 --> 02:17:02,559
there's a there's a lot of uh

3182
02:17:06,230 --> 02:17:03,439
intelligent

3183
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:06,240
people out there pursuing uh

3184
02:17:09,429 --> 02:17:07,120
consciousness

3185
02:17:10,709 --> 02:17:09,439
and going to speak with the dalai lama

3186
02:17:13,110 --> 02:17:10,719
and trying to figure out

3187
02:17:14,870 --> 02:17:13,120
artificial intelligence and and is

3188
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:14,880
consciousness coming into play

3189
02:17:19,110 --> 02:17:17,840
but we've got to get somebody like

3190
02:17:22,150 --> 02:17:19,120
lawrence krauss

3191
02:17:24,629 --> 02:17:22,160
or richard dawkins to flip

3192
02:17:26,709 --> 02:17:24,639
right and and well they never will flip

3193
02:17:29,830 --> 02:17:26,719
that it would be like asking the

3194
02:17:30,309 --> 02:17:29,840
you know it would be like asking uh you

3195
02:17:35,830 --> 02:17:30,319
know

3196
02:17:36,549 --> 02:17:35,840
asking donald trump to flip democrat or

3197
02:17:39,349 --> 02:17:36,559
asking

3198
02:17:40,790 --> 02:17:39,359
kamala harris to flip republican their

3199
02:17:43,910 --> 02:17:40,800
flags are planted

3200
02:17:46,150 --> 02:17:43,920
they have built their forts upon fixed

3201
02:17:46,629 --> 02:17:46,160
fortifications that is the great general

3202
02:17:51,190 --> 02:17:46,639
george

3203
02:17:53,750 --> 02:17:51,200
s patton once said fixed fortifications

3204
02:17:55,270 --> 02:17:53,760
are a monument to the stupidity of

3205
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:55,280
mankind

3206
02:18:00,870 --> 02:17:58,479
let them have their fortress let them

3207
02:18:04,469 --> 02:18:00,880
have their moment in the sun

3208
02:18:07,669 --> 02:18:04,479
the world is moving on they have

3209
02:18:10,309 --> 02:18:07,679
no answers they have a following

3210
02:18:12,070 --> 02:18:10,319
they have a status and that's fine let

3211
02:18:14,150 --> 02:18:12,080
them enjoy it

3212
02:18:15,190 --> 02:18:14,160
the future does not belong to them the

3213
02:18:17,429 --> 02:18:15,200
past and

3214
02:18:18,629 --> 02:18:17,439
to a certain extent the present belongs

3215
02:18:21,190 --> 02:18:18,639
to them

3216
02:18:24,870 --> 02:18:21,200
but here's one thing i can tell you for

3217
02:18:29,910 --> 02:18:24,880
for whatever it's worth

3218
02:18:32,389 --> 02:18:29,920
any attempt no matter what it is

3219
02:18:34,309 --> 02:18:32,399
to explain and again the word

3220
02:18:36,629 --> 02:18:34,319
consciousness is rather ill-defined

3221
02:18:41,830 --> 02:18:36,639
it it it doesn't have a rigorous meaning

3222
02:18:47,990 --> 02:18:45,750
is intelligibility

3223
02:18:51,349 --> 02:18:48,000
in other words when we look out at the

3224
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:51,359
world we don't need to do the equation

3225
02:18:55,589 --> 02:18:54,240
that tells us that that's a beautiful

3226
02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:55,599
blue sky

3227
02:18:59,750 --> 02:18:58,240
oh look at the lovely green trees we

3228
02:19:01,270 --> 02:18:59,760
don't have to calculate which

3229
02:19:04,549 --> 02:19:01,280
wavelengths our eyes

3230
02:19:05,270 --> 02:19:04,559
are receiving this is what the ancients

3231
02:19:08,389 --> 02:19:05,280
called

3232
02:19:09,270 --> 02:19:08,399
the intellect the the ability to

3233
02:19:12,709 --> 02:19:09,280
directly

3234
02:19:14,950 --> 02:19:12,719
perceive being this is not a

3235
02:19:15,270 --> 02:19:14,960
mathematical process and it is not even

3236
02:19:42,230 --> 02:19:15,280
a

3237
02:19:45,509 --> 02:19:42,240
notion

3238
02:19:47,270 --> 02:19:45,519
that quantity is everything

3239
02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:47,280
that we have almost subconsciously

3240
02:19:50,790 --> 02:19:49,200
accepted it if if you can't write it

3241
02:19:54,950 --> 02:19:50,800
down in the equation it can't be

3242
02:19:57,830 --> 02:19:54,960
true and that is the greatest

3243
02:20:00,230 --> 02:19:57,840
challenge that we face and luckily we're

3244
02:20:04,309 --> 02:20:00,240
making some real progress

3245
02:20:08,070 --> 02:20:04,319
because quantum physics has presented us

3246
02:20:10,389 --> 02:20:08,080
with a fundamental inability

3247
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:10,399
to use mathematics to explain something

3248
02:20:13,030 --> 02:20:11,120
that happens

3249
02:20:16,150 --> 02:20:13,040
every time we measure a quantum system

3250
02:20:17,830 --> 02:20:16,160
in the lab the wave function collapse is

3251
02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:17,840
instantaneous

3252
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:20,640
unpredictable and cannot be described by

3253
02:20:24,230 --> 02:20:22,000
any equation

3254
02:20:25,670 --> 02:20:24,240
it collapses the best equation we have

3255
02:20:28,150 --> 02:20:25,680
the schrodinger equation

3256
02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:28,160
you measure a quantum system boom right

3257
02:20:31,349 --> 02:20:30,319
then right there the schroedinger

3258
02:20:35,110 --> 02:20:31,359
equation

3259
02:20:37,349 --> 02:20:35,120
collapses why well they don't have the

3260
02:20:40,469 --> 02:20:37,359
faintest idea why

3261
02:20:41,190 --> 02:20:40,479
because theoretically there should be no

3262
02:20:43,830 --> 02:20:41,200
collapse at

3263
02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:43,840
all i mean look the detector is just

3264
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:45,280
another collection of quantum

3265
02:20:49,270 --> 02:20:47,359
particles they should obey the quantity

3266
02:20:52,469 --> 02:20:49,280
the schrodinger equation too

3267
02:20:55,910 --> 02:20:52,479
but they don't why

3268
02:20:58,309 --> 02:20:55,920
what is it about the detector

3269
02:21:00,309 --> 02:20:58,319
this is the most interesting question in

3270
02:21:02,070 --> 02:21:00,319
physics right now

3271
02:21:03,750 --> 02:21:02,080
and by the way one of the people who was

3272
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:03,760
in the principle but by the way

3273
02:21:07,830 --> 02:21:05,200
the man i thought was the most

3274
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:07,840
impressive of all the physicists that i

3275
02:21:10,950 --> 02:21:09,040
interviewed for the principal is a man

3276
02:21:13,429 --> 02:21:10,960
named george ellis

3277
02:21:14,389 --> 02:21:13,439
george ellis just only about two years

3278
02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:14,399
ago published an

3279
02:21:21,270 --> 02:21:17,680
absolutely monumental paper

3280
02:21:23,510 --> 02:21:21,280
examining the quantum measuring problem

3281
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:23,520
in detail and you know what he concluded

3282
02:21:30,550 --> 02:21:25,600
he concluded

3283
02:21:33,110 --> 02:21:30,560
that there exists a form of causation

3284
02:21:34,110 --> 02:21:33,120
in every quantum measurement that he

3285
02:21:37,030 --> 02:21:34,120
calls

3286
02:21:37,910 --> 02:21:37,040
top-down causation this is formal

3287
02:21:40,950 --> 02:21:37,920
causation

3288
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:40,960
unknown to physics

3289
02:21:44,630 --> 02:21:43,840
and he says this is unquestionably

3290
02:21:47,270 --> 02:21:44,640
active in

3291
02:21:48,550 --> 02:21:47,280
every collapse of a quantum wave

3292
02:21:50,710 --> 02:21:48,560
function

3293
02:21:51,670 --> 02:21:50,720
this is the beginning of a monumental

3294
02:21:54,150 --> 02:21:51,680
change

3295
02:21:55,910 --> 02:21:54,160
i i always say that when you watch the

3296
02:21:56,710 --> 02:21:55,920
end of quantum reality you will find

3297
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:56,720
your world

3298
02:22:01,990 --> 02:21:59,840
turned right side up because

3299
02:22:03,910 --> 02:22:02,000
top-down causation is just another

3300
02:22:05,590 --> 02:22:03,920
version of what wolfgang smith told us

3301
02:22:08,469 --> 02:22:05,600
30 years ago was

3302
02:22:10,469 --> 02:22:08,479
vertical causation and all of a sudden

3303
02:22:12,309 --> 02:22:10,479
instead of looking down down down down

3304
02:22:13,750 --> 02:22:12,319
down down down deeper and deeper deeper

3305
02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:13,760
to the smaller and smaller and smaller

3306
02:22:19,270 --> 02:22:15,840
and smaller

3307
02:22:19,590 --> 02:22:19,280
we have to look up again we have to look

3308
02:22:23,429 --> 02:22:19,600
up

3309
02:22:27,110 --> 02:22:23,439
and recognize active forms of causation

3310
02:22:30,389 --> 02:22:27,120
in our world that do not reduce

3311
02:22:33,110 --> 02:22:30,399
to mathematical equations this is the

3312
02:22:34,630 --> 02:22:33,120
recovery of the vertical dimension of

3313
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:34,640
reality

3314
02:22:41,270 --> 02:22:38,160
and it will be a monumental change

3315
02:22:44,469 --> 02:22:41,280
in our civilization if

3316
02:22:47,910 --> 02:22:44,479
if if science did

3317
02:22:50,230 --> 02:22:47,920
choose to focus on

3318
02:22:51,830 --> 02:22:50,240
an attempted measurement of of

3319
02:22:54,230 --> 02:22:51,840
consciousness

3320
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:54,240
which i think directly connects to not

3321
02:22:58,389 --> 02:22:55,200
only em

3322
02:22:59,830 --> 02:22:58,399
but uh uh entanglement and

3323
02:23:02,469 --> 02:22:59,840
and other things that have been

3324
02:23:05,990 --> 02:23:02,479
presented in theoretical physics

3325
02:23:07,910 --> 02:23:06,000
um if they were able to do that

3326
02:23:09,750 --> 02:23:07,920
or no if they were able to take the same

3327
02:23:10,070 --> 02:23:09,760
energies that they have been focusing

3328
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:10,080
with

3329
02:23:13,830 --> 02:23:13,040
in in other avenues couldn't they turn

3330
02:23:17,110 --> 02:23:13,840
around

3331
02:23:17,990 --> 02:23:17,120
and and focus on consciousness and talk

3332
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:18,000
to the spiritual

3333
02:23:21,990 --> 02:23:20,240
community and and start to make these

3334
02:23:24,950 --> 02:23:22,000
direct connections and possibly

3335
02:23:25,830 --> 02:23:24,960
measure the one great question that has

3336
02:23:28,630 --> 02:23:25,840
been around

3337
02:23:30,070 --> 02:23:28,640
since the dawn of time which is who are

3338
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:30,080
we why are we here

3339
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:33,280
and and where are we going unfortunately

3340
02:23:37,830 --> 02:23:35,760
their method only allows them to explore

3341
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:37,840
the quantitative

3342
02:23:42,150 --> 02:23:40,319
aspects of this question and the

3343
02:23:43,110 --> 02:23:42,160
quantitative aspects of this question

3344
02:23:46,870 --> 02:23:43,120
are by far

3345
02:23:49,830 --> 02:23:46,880
the least important now

3346
02:23:50,870 --> 02:23:49,840
science will inevitably it's already

3347
02:23:54,630 --> 02:23:50,880
started to happen

3348
02:23:56,710 --> 02:23:54,640
and it cannot be stopped science will

3349
02:23:58,950 --> 02:23:56,720
probably within the lifetime of the

3350
02:24:02,469 --> 02:23:58,960
younger people listening

3351
02:24:04,790 --> 02:24:02,479
will be forced to admit that it

3352
02:24:06,630 --> 02:24:04,800
cannot provide us a comprehensive

3353
02:24:08,710 --> 02:24:06,640
picture of the world

3354
02:24:09,670 --> 02:24:08,720
that there are elements in the world

3355
02:24:13,510 --> 02:24:09,680
which are both

3356
02:24:16,950 --> 02:24:13,520
real and causative

3357
02:24:19,349 --> 02:24:16,960
that do not reduce to quantity that will

3358
02:24:24,230 --> 02:24:19,359
probably happen within the next

3359
02:24:27,590 --> 02:24:24,240
20 to 40 years however

3360
02:24:30,710 --> 02:24:27,600
what that means in terms of

3361
02:24:33,030 --> 02:24:30,720
okay so we

3362
02:24:33,750 --> 02:24:33,040
can't describe consciousness just in

3363
02:24:36,950 --> 02:24:33,760
terms of

3364
02:24:39,349 --> 02:24:36,960
neuron interactions in the brain

3365
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:39,359
because all of those are implicitly

3366
02:24:43,110 --> 02:24:41,600
reducible to quantity

3367
02:24:46,710 --> 02:24:43,120
you may not have a computer that's

3368
02:24:49,910 --> 02:24:46,720
powerful enough to do all of that math

3369
02:24:53,750 --> 02:24:49,920
but at least theoretically

3370
02:24:57,230 --> 02:24:53,760
all of those interactions are implicitly

3371
02:25:01,590 --> 02:24:57,240
susceptible of being represented

3372
02:25:06,790 --> 02:25:01,600
quantitatively the problem is this

3373
02:25:10,070 --> 02:25:06,800
there is no chance none whatsoever

3374
02:25:14,309 --> 02:25:10,080
that the actions of the human

3375
02:25:17,030 --> 02:25:14,319
intellect reduce to quantity

3376
02:25:18,710 --> 02:25:17,040
we do not calculate that beautiful

3377
02:25:23,270 --> 02:25:18,720
sunset

3378
02:25:26,630 --> 02:25:23,280
we simply receive it it is impossible

3379
02:25:30,150 --> 02:25:26,640
to derive that beautiful sunset as some

3380
02:25:32,630 --> 02:25:30,160
manipulation of neurons translating

3381
02:25:33,830 --> 02:25:32,640
a two-dimensional image hitting our

3382
02:25:36,389 --> 02:25:33,840
retinas

3383
02:25:38,230 --> 02:25:36,399
it doesn't work it hasn't worked it

3384
02:25:40,150 --> 02:25:38,240
never will work

3385
02:25:42,150 --> 02:25:40,160
we're going to have to recover that

3386
02:25:45,429 --> 02:25:42,160
aspect of reality

3387
02:25:48,630 --> 02:25:45,439
that pertains to the soul

3388
02:25:50,870 --> 02:25:48,640
the powers of the soul it's not the

3389
02:25:54,309 --> 02:25:50,880
powers of the brain

3390
02:25:56,550 --> 02:25:54,319
it's the powers of the being

3391
02:25:57,830 --> 02:25:56,560
and because that has fallen into such

3392
02:26:01,990 --> 02:25:57,840
disrepute

3393
02:26:05,110 --> 02:26:02,000
and disfavor in our scientific age

3394
02:26:07,349 --> 02:26:05,120
it'll be a while before science is

3395
02:26:08,469 --> 02:26:07,359
finally smart enough to say okay we know

3396
02:26:11,590 --> 02:26:08,479
there is something

3397
02:26:12,950 --> 02:26:11,600
up there our method will only allow us

3398
02:26:15,429 --> 02:26:12,960
to approach it from

3399
02:26:16,190 --> 02:26:15,439
below we will find very interesting

3400
02:26:19,830 --> 02:26:16,200
things at the

3401
02:26:21,670 --> 02:26:19,840
intersection of the quantitative and the

3402
02:26:23,910 --> 02:26:21,680
qualitative

3403
02:26:25,750 --> 02:26:23,920
but our method cannot take us anywhere

3404
02:26:28,469 --> 02:26:25,760
beyond the quantitative

3405
02:26:29,590 --> 02:26:28,479
that's why by the way jimmy i have a

3406
02:26:32,630 --> 02:26:29,600
standing

3407
02:26:36,070 --> 02:26:32,640
bet with anybody who wants to take it

3408
02:26:40,309 --> 02:26:36,080
there will never be any

3409
02:26:43,030 --> 02:26:40,319
actual artificial intelligence

3410
02:26:44,150 --> 02:26:43,040
the the the words artificial

3411
02:26:46,710 --> 02:26:44,160
intelligence

3412
02:26:47,190 --> 02:26:46,720
are at least as mutually contradictory

3413
02:26:50,469 --> 02:26:47,200
as

3414
02:26:51,910 --> 02:26:50,479
military intelligence the two simply do

3415
02:26:54,950 --> 02:26:51,920
not go together

3416
02:26:58,150 --> 02:26:54,960
intelligence has nothing to do

3417
02:26:59,030 --> 02:26:58,160
with algorithms intelligence has nothing

3418
02:27:03,710 --> 02:26:59,040
to do

3419
02:27:07,270 --> 02:27:03,720
with the direct

3420
02:27:08,950 --> 02:27:07,280
apprehension of the real

3421
02:27:11,270 --> 02:27:08,960
and that is something that mathematics

3422
02:27:12,870 --> 02:27:11,280
is simply not ever going to be able to

3423
02:27:16,389 --> 02:27:12,880
uh come to terms with

3424
02:27:19,750 --> 02:27:16,399
luckily there is enormous

3425
02:27:20,790 --> 02:27:19,760
knowledge wisdom rigorous scientific

3426
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:20,800
knowledge

3427
02:27:25,910 --> 02:27:24,160
about this power

3428
02:27:28,150 --> 02:27:25,920
that the ancient wisdom schools spent

3429
02:27:30,309 --> 02:27:28,160
thousands of years

3430
02:27:31,830 --> 02:27:30,319
of compiling this is why wolfgang went

3431
02:27:35,030 --> 02:27:31,840
to india

3432
02:27:36,710 --> 02:27:35,040
was to contact these wisdom schools and

3433
02:27:40,230 --> 02:27:36,720
what he learned there is what

3434
02:27:41,670 --> 02:27:40,240
saved him from being sucked into this

3435
02:27:44,710 --> 02:27:41,680
black hole

3436
02:27:46,790 --> 02:27:44,720
of everything reduces to quantity

3437
02:27:48,389 --> 02:27:46,800
the most important thing is that the

3438
02:27:51,190 --> 02:27:48,399
world does not

3439
02:27:52,070 --> 02:27:51,200
reduce to quantity there are aspects of

3440
02:27:55,110 --> 02:27:52,080
the world

3441
02:27:56,830 --> 02:27:55,120
that no equation can ever comprehend but

3442
02:27:59,750 --> 02:27:56,840
our intellect

3443
02:28:01,030 --> 02:27:59,760
instantaneously and and intuitively

3444
02:28:04,230 --> 02:28:01,040
comprehend it

3445
02:28:06,550 --> 02:28:04,240
it really is a red apple out there it's

3446
02:28:09,990 --> 02:28:06,560
not just a bunch of neurons

3447
02:28:13,349 --> 02:28:10,000
giving us the illusion of one the world

3448
02:28:16,389 --> 02:28:13,359
that we perceive is in a very real sense

3449
02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:16,399
far more real than the world of the

3450
02:28:20,230 --> 02:28:17,680
physicist

3451
02:28:21,990 --> 02:28:20,240
and we all know it ran deep we all know

3452
02:28:22,870 --> 02:28:22,000
it every time we walk down a beautiful

3453
02:28:23,990 --> 02:28:22,880
sunset

3454
02:28:25,990 --> 02:28:24,000
down the street and watch a beautiful

3455
02:28:29,270 --> 02:28:26,000
sunset our being

3456
02:28:31,030 --> 02:28:29,280
knows even if our educated scientific

3457
02:28:33,830 --> 02:28:31,040
pretensions try to tell us

3458
02:28:34,950 --> 02:28:33,840
oh it's just wavelengths and uh and uh

3459
02:28:37,270 --> 02:28:34,960
refractions

3460
02:28:39,190 --> 02:28:37,280
well you know you know when these

3461
02:28:41,270 --> 02:28:39,200
scientists and and thinkers

3462
02:28:43,110 --> 02:28:41,280
you know go to tibet you know talk with

3463
02:28:44,070 --> 02:28:43,120
these teachers and leaders or the dalai

3464
02:28:46,710 --> 02:28:44,080
lama

3465
02:28:47,750 --> 02:28:46,720
they it's exactly what you're saying

3466
02:28:49,270 --> 02:28:47,760
they are turning around

3467
02:28:50,870 --> 02:28:49,280
you were going to come here sooner or

3468
02:28:53,510 --> 02:28:50,880
later

3469
02:28:54,070 --> 02:28:53,520
exactly you remember that story that

3470
02:28:56,630 --> 02:28:54,080
wonderful

3471
02:28:58,230 --> 02:28:56,640
story uh i i can't i i'm probably gonna

3472
02:29:00,469 --> 02:28:58,240
mess it up here but

3473
02:29:01,910 --> 02:29:00,479
you know the story is that uh the these

3474
02:29:05,750 --> 02:29:01,920
physicists are

3475
02:29:07,270 --> 02:29:05,760
climbing this straight up stroke like el

3476
02:29:10,309 --> 02:29:07,280
capitan you know they

3477
02:29:12,630 --> 02:29:10,319
struggle and struggling they finally

3478
02:29:13,830 --> 02:29:12,640
drag themselves over the top and they

3479
02:29:16,309 --> 02:29:13,840
see

3480
02:29:17,750 --> 02:29:16,319
a whole bunch of theologian and mystics

3481
02:29:18,150 --> 02:29:17,760
gathered around the campfire and they

3482
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:18,160
say

3483
02:29:21,990 --> 02:29:20,160
oh good you finally made it come on over

3484
02:29:25,110 --> 02:29:22,000
so let's sit down and talk

3485
02:29:27,110 --> 02:29:25,120
that's exactly it you know um i say it

3486
02:29:27,750 --> 02:29:27,120
all the time but the most spiritual

3487
02:29:30,710 --> 02:29:27,760
person

3488
02:29:32,630 --> 02:29:30,720
on the planet is the physicist when the

3489
02:29:36,070 --> 02:29:32,640
plane is going down

3490
02:29:37,750 --> 02:29:36,080
oh boy i love it i love it i love it

3491
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:37,760
and this is this is a beautiful thing

3492
02:29:41,510 --> 02:29:39,840
and what gives me such hope even though

3493
02:29:43,190 --> 02:29:41,520
we're entering into a very dark time

3494
02:29:45,110 --> 02:29:43,200
here yeah you know the

3495
02:29:47,830 --> 02:29:45,120
we are entering a period of

3496
02:29:51,750 --> 02:29:47,840
civilizational

3497
02:29:53,270 --> 02:29:51,760
trauma that may possibly be the greatest

3498
02:29:55,270 --> 02:29:53,280
in many many centuries

3499
02:29:57,830 --> 02:29:55,280
and that's scary in a way but it's also

3500
02:30:00,070 --> 02:29:57,840
incredibly hopeful

3501
02:30:01,429 --> 02:30:00,080
we're about to learn something we're

3502
02:30:04,150 --> 02:30:01,439
about to recover

3503
02:30:05,429 --> 02:30:04,160
a lost element of what it means to be

3504
02:30:07,590 --> 02:30:05,439
human

3505
02:30:08,870 --> 02:30:07,600
and that is going to make for a much in

3506
02:30:12,230 --> 02:30:08,880
my opinion

3507
02:30:15,270 --> 02:30:12,240
a much more beautiful world and

3508
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:15,280
we just have to sort of stick stick

3509
02:30:19,990 --> 02:30:17,120
through the rough patch here

3510
02:30:22,070 --> 02:30:20,000
yeah do everything we can to to to pass

3511
02:30:24,950 --> 02:30:22,080
this on to the next generation

3512
02:30:26,070 --> 02:30:24,960
okay rick i'm going to ask you now uh i

3513
02:30:29,349 --> 02:30:26,080
need you to stay

3514
02:30:31,190 --> 02:30:29,359
overtime i need you for 20 more minutes

3515
02:30:34,389 --> 02:30:31,200
there's no way there's kind of what man

3516
02:30:36,150 --> 02:30:34,399
this conversation doesn't end now um but

3517
02:30:38,469 --> 02:30:36,160
you know what that reminds me of i used

3518
02:30:41,910 --> 02:30:38,479
to get so frustrated as a kid

3519
02:30:44,389 --> 02:30:41,920
uh but you know you see the wise man uh

3520
02:30:46,150 --> 02:30:44,399
always say well to go forward you must

3521
02:30:49,270 --> 02:30:46,160
first go back

3522
02:30:51,750 --> 02:30:49,280
to go up you must first go down

3523
02:30:52,950 --> 02:30:51,760
well you know what they're doing you

3524
02:30:54,950 --> 02:30:52,960
know what they're doing

3525
02:30:56,070 --> 02:30:54,960
they're trying to break you out of your

3526
02:30:58,870 --> 02:30:56,080
logical

3527
02:31:00,630 --> 02:30:58,880
habits of perception they're trying to

3528
02:31:03,830 --> 02:31:00,640
get you to recover that

3529
02:31:04,870 --> 02:31:03,840
direct unmediated perception of the

3530
02:31:07,830 --> 02:31:04,880
being

3531
02:31:08,630 --> 02:31:07,840
because it ain't logical i'm telling you

3532
02:31:11,750 --> 02:31:08,640
the the

3533
02:31:13,990 --> 02:31:11,760
human being has the power to

3534
02:31:15,670 --> 02:31:14,000
rationally chop things up into little

3535
02:31:18,550 --> 02:31:15,680
bits and that's very useful

3536
02:31:20,710 --> 02:31:18,560
very helpful helps us a lot because a

3537
02:31:21,670 --> 02:31:20,720
human being also has the ability to see

3538
02:31:24,710 --> 02:31:21,680
the whole

3539
02:31:26,710 --> 02:31:24,720
instantly and know it

3540
02:31:28,070 --> 02:31:26,720
not by thinking about it or analyzing it

3541
02:31:30,150 --> 02:31:28,080
but by perceiving

3542
02:31:32,070 --> 02:31:30,160
it and that's what we have to recover

3543
02:31:34,230 --> 02:31:32,080
and that's what we are going to recover

3544
02:31:35,910 --> 02:31:34,240
and we will and we will continue this

3545
02:31:37,750 --> 02:31:35,920
conversation right after this short

3546
02:31:41,270 --> 02:31:37,760
break we're heading into overtime

3547
02:31:42,630 --> 02:31:41,280
rick delano the new film is the end of

3548
02:31:44,309 --> 02:31:42,640
quantum reality

3549
02:31:46,950 --> 02:31:44,319
video on demand it's on all the

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platforms out there highly recommend it

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more with rick after this short break

3552
02:31:51,830 --> 02:31:50,000
this is faded black i

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am your host jimmy church you can follow

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02:32:01,190 --> 02:31:57,359
and uh rick what's your twitter

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uh it is celos sophia oh god what is my

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uh silos sophia.org we'll get it up

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there right now in the feed we'll be

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jimmychurchradio.com

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02:36:57,590 --> 02:36:55,590
welcome back fade to black heading into

3670
02:36:59,030 --> 02:36:57,600
overtime rick delano

3671
02:37:00,630 --> 02:36:59,040
we're gonna go pole to pole there's no

3672
02:37:04,309 --> 02:37:00,640
way this conversation was

3673
02:37:07,670 --> 02:37:04,319
even close to ending

3674
02:37:07,990 --> 02:37:07,680
and uh you know uh rick i want to thank

3675
02:37:09,750 --> 02:37:08,000
you

3676
02:37:11,030 --> 02:37:09,760
uh for for the show tonight i look

3677
02:37:12,230 --> 02:37:11,040
forward to the next time that we have

3678
02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:12,240
you on so much

3679
02:37:16,550 --> 02:37:15,280
to discuss and we're just scratching the

3680
02:37:19,110 --> 02:37:16,560
surface tonight

3681
02:37:20,790 --> 02:37:19,120
uh it's your first time on the show but

3682
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:20,800
uh i want to have some fun right now

3683
02:37:25,190 --> 02:37:21,120
let's

3684
02:37:29,110 --> 02:37:25,200
little bit uh for this last segment

3685
02:37:31,110 --> 02:37:29,120
and and it is this i talk about

3686
02:37:32,309 --> 02:37:31,120
the basics of the basics you know

3687
02:37:36,070 --> 02:37:32,319
particles

3688
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:36,080
uh amino acids chemicals uh that are

3689
02:37:39,349 --> 02:37:38,880
everywhere in the universe and they only

3690
02:37:43,030 --> 02:37:39,359
can

3691
02:37:46,230 --> 02:37:43,040
combine so many ways and

3692
02:37:48,389 --> 02:37:46,240
certainly life on this earth is here

3693
02:37:49,750 --> 02:37:48,399
how we did it how it was pulled off was

3694
02:37:53,110 --> 02:37:49,760
it divine was there

3695
02:37:54,070 --> 02:37:53,120
some other intervention uh i'm open to

3696
02:37:57,910 --> 02:37:54,080
all ideas

3697
02:38:02,150 --> 02:37:57,920
but because of those basic thoughts

3698
02:38:05,830 --> 02:38:02,160
there must be a lot of life out there

3699
02:38:09,349 --> 02:38:05,840
how much life is in the milky way

3700
02:38:12,389 --> 02:38:09,359
uh i am i i agree with max tag mark

3701
02:38:16,150 --> 02:38:12,399
and the two of us are obviously

3702
02:38:18,630 --> 02:38:16,160
in a very significant minority

3703
02:38:19,270 --> 02:38:18,640
but i agree with max tegmark that we are

3704
02:38:21,750 --> 02:38:19,280
already

3705
02:38:24,389 --> 02:38:21,760
in possession of sufficient

3706
02:38:27,510 --> 02:38:24,399
observational evidence to conclude

3707
02:38:29,830 --> 02:38:27,520
with a very high degree of competence

3708
02:38:31,830 --> 02:38:29,840
that there is no intelligent life not

3709
02:38:34,469 --> 02:38:31,840
only in the milky way galaxy but in the

3710
02:38:37,590 --> 02:38:34,479
entire observable universe

3711
02:38:40,950 --> 02:38:37,600
anywhere except right

3712
02:38:41,670 --> 02:38:40,960
here now and when you say that which is

3713
02:38:44,790 --> 02:38:41,680
radical

3714
02:38:47,510 --> 02:38:44,800
right because uh

3715
02:38:48,230 --> 02:38:47,520
uh when we talk about the numbers just

3716
02:38:51,429 --> 02:38:48,240
just

3717
02:38:53,590 --> 02:38:51,439
fundamentals

3718
02:38:54,630 --> 02:38:53,600
elementals we're just talking about

3719
02:38:56,710 --> 02:38:54,640
numbers

3720
02:38:57,830 --> 02:38:56,720
if you shuffle a deck of cards

3721
02:39:03,110 --> 02:38:57,840
eventually

3722
02:39:06,309 --> 02:39:03,120
you shuffle them enough times

3723
02:39:08,389 --> 02:39:06,319
you're gonna repeat the shuffle right

3724
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:08,399
absolutely as a matter of fact it's even

3725
02:39:13,590 --> 02:39:10,399
it's very simple

3726
02:39:16,870 --> 02:39:13,600
if in fact

3727
02:39:20,630 --> 02:39:16,880
life is simply the right

3728
02:39:24,429 --> 02:39:20,640
shuffle of the deck if we grant

3729
02:39:27,750 --> 02:39:24,439
that assumption that it is

3730
02:39:28,349 --> 02:39:27,760
incontestably certain that life should

3731
02:39:32,150 --> 02:39:28,359
be

3732
02:39:35,670 --> 02:39:32,160
absolutely everywhere in this universe

3733
02:39:39,910 --> 02:39:35,680
and everywhere in the milky way galaxy

3734
02:39:42,950 --> 02:39:39,920
the problem jimmy is that it is not

3735
02:39:45,990 --> 02:39:42,960
why here's the argument

3736
02:39:46,790 --> 02:39:46,000
max says you do basically a statistical

3737
02:39:49,750 --> 02:39:46,800
analysis

3738
02:39:51,429 --> 02:39:49,760
based on orders of magnitude you start

3739
02:39:54,389 --> 02:39:51,439
with a centimeter

3740
02:39:55,190 --> 02:39:54,399
then 10 centimeters then 100 centimeters

3741
02:39:58,790 --> 02:39:55,200
a meter

3742
02:40:02,950 --> 02:39:58,800
and you you keep extending out from

3743
02:40:06,230 --> 02:40:02,960
earth in orders of magnitude

3744
02:40:09,270 --> 02:40:06,240
if life is just a shuffle

3745
02:40:13,269 --> 02:40:09,280
of the deck

3746
02:40:16,950 --> 02:40:13,279
then that means that we know there are

3747
02:40:18,710 --> 02:40:16,960
billions of planets perfectly good for

3748
02:40:21,990 --> 02:40:18,720
life

3749
02:40:25,349 --> 02:40:22,000
just in our own milky way galaxy and

3750
02:40:28,790 --> 02:40:25,359
billions of those are

3751
02:40:31,750 --> 02:40:28,800
billions of years older than

3752
02:40:33,190 --> 02:40:31,760
the earth okay it's a statistical

3753
02:40:36,870 --> 02:40:33,200
certainty

3754
02:40:40,790 --> 02:40:36,880
here's the problem we first flew

3755
02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:40,800
under power in 1903

3756
02:40:48,710 --> 02:40:45,359
that's 117 years ago

3757
02:40:51,349 --> 02:40:48,720
we left the solar system

3758
02:40:53,269 --> 02:40:51,359
somewhere between about 2015 and about

3759
02:40:56,309 --> 02:40:53,279
2016 when the

3760
02:40:59,190 --> 02:40:56,319
voyager passed beyond the solar system

3761
02:40:59,590 --> 02:40:59,200
however you wanted to find it so it took

3762
02:41:02,630 --> 02:40:59,600
us

3763
02:41:06,389 --> 02:41:02,640
about a hundred and

3764
02:41:09,429 --> 02:41:06,399
thirteen or fourteen years to go from

3765
02:41:11,910 --> 02:41:09,439
very first powered flight to leaving the

3766
02:41:15,349 --> 02:41:11,920
solar system

3767
02:41:18,309 --> 02:41:15,359
where are we going to be in ten

3768
02:41:18,710 --> 02:41:18,319
000 years that isn't even a blink of an

3769
02:41:22,550 --> 02:41:18,720
eye

3770
02:41:25,830 --> 02:41:22,560
how about 100 how about a million years

3771
02:41:30,150 --> 02:41:25,840
still not even a blink how about

3772
02:41:33,110 --> 02:41:30,160
100 million years

3773
02:41:34,389 --> 02:41:33,120
this is what fermi's paradox is all

3774
02:41:37,030 --> 02:41:34,399
about

3775
02:41:38,389 --> 02:41:37,040
if life is just the right shuffle of the

3776
02:41:41,670 --> 02:41:38,399
cards

3777
02:41:43,429 --> 02:41:41,680
then it should have happened uncountably

3778
02:41:46,469 --> 02:41:43,439
billions of times

3779
02:41:50,550 --> 02:41:46,479
just in our own galaxy

3780
02:41:54,150 --> 02:41:50,560
and those planets have had billions

3781
02:41:58,070 --> 02:41:54,160
of years billions of years

3782
02:42:01,429 --> 02:41:58,080
to move out and colonize all of the

3783
02:42:05,750 --> 02:42:01,439
goldilocks zone planets

3784
02:42:09,110 --> 02:42:05,760
and it hasn't happened max's conclusion

3785
02:42:12,150 --> 02:42:09,120
is that it is extremely

3786
02:42:15,190 --> 02:42:12,160
confident yet he is extremely competent

3787
02:42:15,830 --> 02:42:15,200
on strictly statistical grounds that

3788
02:42:19,349 --> 02:42:15,840
there is

3789
02:42:20,550 --> 02:42:19,359
no intelligent life not merely in the

3790
02:42:24,230 --> 02:42:20,560
milky way

3791
02:42:27,670 --> 02:42:24,240
but in the entire observable universe

3792
02:42:30,950 --> 02:42:27,680
based upon the amount of time

3793
02:42:32,070 --> 02:42:30,960
that all of these billions upon billions

3794
02:42:35,429 --> 02:42:32,080
of correct

3795
02:42:37,910 --> 02:42:35,439
shuffles of the deck would have had

3796
02:42:40,469 --> 02:42:37,920
to get out and colonize all the

3797
02:42:43,429 --> 02:42:40,479
goldilocks zone planets

3798
02:42:44,150 --> 02:42:43,439
it hasn't happened we've been doing seti

3799
02:42:47,190 --> 02:42:44,160
now for

3800
02:42:50,550 --> 02:42:47,200
going on 50 years so we're out

3801
02:42:53,750 --> 02:42:50,560
50 light years in all directions now

3802
02:42:55,110 --> 02:42:53,760
and they're at a whisper out there jimmy

3803
02:42:57,269 --> 02:42:55,120
there's something wrong with that

3804
02:43:01,590 --> 02:42:57,279
assumption that life

3805
02:43:05,670 --> 02:43:01,600
is just the right shuffle of the deck

3806
02:43:08,630 --> 02:43:05,680
my counter to that is

3807
02:43:11,429 --> 02:43:08,640
actually a quite simple one and there's

3808
02:43:14,550 --> 02:43:11,439
a few different ways to look at it

3809
02:43:17,830 --> 02:43:14,560
number one it can

3810
02:43:21,590 --> 02:43:17,840
be as simple as uh

3811
02:43:24,630 --> 02:43:21,600
life out there is

3812
02:43:27,910 --> 02:43:24,640
communicating with each other

3813
02:43:31,510 --> 02:43:27,920
but it's not on our time scale that

3814
02:43:34,790 --> 02:43:31,520
what we are hearing is is noise

3815
02:43:37,510 --> 02:43:34,800
what we are hearing is not visible to

3816
02:43:39,190 --> 02:43:37,520
us and i think that is a very simple way

3817
02:43:40,070 --> 02:43:39,200
to look at it number one if you want to

3818
02:43:43,030 --> 02:43:40,080
say

3819
02:43:43,510 --> 02:43:43,040
why aren't we seeing it but i would

3820
02:43:45,670 --> 02:43:43,520
counter

3821
02:43:47,349 --> 02:43:45,680
that journey for me but let me finish

3822
02:43:49,510 --> 02:43:47,359
the problem with that argument for me

3823
02:43:52,550 --> 02:43:49,520
and for all similar arguments

3824
02:43:53,910 --> 02:43:52,560
is that it's an argument from absence of

3825
02:43:56,550 --> 02:43:53,920
evidence

3826
02:43:58,469 --> 02:43:56,560
in other words the reason we don't see

3827
02:44:02,150 --> 02:43:58,479
angels

3828
02:44:06,469 --> 02:44:02,160
is because they occupy a

3829
02:44:09,269 --> 02:44:06,479
wavelength beyond our visual

3830
02:44:11,349 --> 02:44:09,279
apparatus okay well i certainly can't

3831
02:44:13,670 --> 02:44:11,359
falsify that

3832
02:44:14,950 --> 02:44:13,680
what i can say is that there is

3833
02:44:18,230 --> 02:44:14,960
absolutely no

3834
02:44:20,309 --> 02:44:18,240
evidence of that and

3835
02:44:21,750 --> 02:44:20,319
in the same way i can certainly agree

3836
02:44:24,950 --> 02:44:21,760
with you that it's it's

3837
02:44:28,309 --> 02:44:24,960
it's possible that

3838
02:44:29,750 --> 02:44:28,319
life is all around us and they are

3839
02:44:33,429 --> 02:44:29,760
hiding themselves from

3840
02:44:34,630 --> 02:44:33,439
our sensors and they are treating us as

3841
02:44:36,790 --> 02:44:34,640
a zoo

3842
02:44:38,630 --> 02:44:36,800
and you know you you can write five

3843
02:44:41,670 --> 02:44:38,640
great science fiction movies about that

3844
02:44:46,469 --> 02:44:41,680
the problem is there's absolutely

3845
02:44:49,190 --> 02:44:46,479
not the slightest bit of evidence that

3846
02:44:51,349 --> 02:44:49,200
that is in fact the case all that we

3847
02:44:54,790 --> 02:44:51,359
know for sure

3848
02:44:58,550 --> 02:44:54,800
is that the assumption that life

3849
02:45:00,710 --> 02:44:58,560
is a correct shuffle of the cards

3850
02:45:03,030 --> 02:45:00,720
means it should be absolutely everywhere

3851
02:45:05,190 --> 02:45:03,040
and at least some of it

3852
02:45:06,230 --> 02:45:05,200
should by strictly statistical

3853
02:45:09,830 --> 02:45:06,240
probabilities

3854
02:45:13,030 --> 02:45:09,840
be somewhat approximately where we are

3855
02:45:14,710 --> 02:45:13,040
or somewhere just beyond where we are

3856
02:45:16,230 --> 02:45:14,720
they should still be dealing with the

3857
02:45:18,070 --> 02:45:16,240
same technological i mean

3858
02:45:20,150 --> 02:45:18,080
look there's only a certain number of

3859
02:45:23,990 --> 02:45:20,160
ways to make semiconductors

3860
02:45:28,710 --> 02:45:24,000
but what you're suggesting though um

3861
02:45:31,670 --> 02:45:28,720
is that you have never seen or observed

3862
02:45:33,590 --> 02:45:31,680
something that you can't explain

3863
02:45:35,590 --> 02:45:33,600
you haven't had that paradigm shift

3864
02:45:37,990 --> 02:45:35,600
there are many things i can't explain

3865
02:45:39,110 --> 02:45:38,000
what i haven't observed what i have not

3866
02:45:42,389 --> 02:45:39,120
observed

3867
02:45:44,230 --> 02:45:42,399
is the slightest bit of evidence

3868
02:45:45,750 --> 02:45:44,240
that there is another intelligent

3869
02:45:49,590 --> 02:45:45,760
species

3870
02:45:53,750 --> 02:45:49,600
um that that or that

3871
02:45:56,790 --> 02:45:53,760
better said that there is a process

3872
02:46:00,150 --> 02:45:56,800
a law of biology

3873
02:46:05,429 --> 02:46:00,160
in the universe that will

3874
02:46:08,550 --> 02:46:05,439
naturally generate stupendous numbers

3875
02:46:09,110 --> 02:46:08,560
of intelligent species according to the

3876
02:46:12,710 --> 02:46:09,120
same

3877
02:46:17,590 --> 02:46:12,720
laws that generated ours right and that

3878
02:46:20,790 --> 02:46:17,600
this principle will spin off

3879
02:46:21,349 --> 02:46:20,800
at least tens of millions of intelligent

3880
02:46:22,950 --> 02:46:21,359
cultures

3881
02:46:25,030 --> 02:46:22,960
on the time scale that we are talking

3882
02:46:27,670 --> 02:46:25,040
about just in our own

3883
02:46:28,630 --> 02:46:27,680
little neck of the milky way there's no

3884
02:46:31,030 --> 02:46:28,640
evidence of this

3885
02:46:32,469 --> 02:46:31,040
right now that's the case if that's the

3886
02:46:38,870 --> 02:46:32,479
case

3887
02:46:41,990 --> 02:46:38,880
that we are it

3888
02:46:43,110 --> 02:46:42,000
then why take care of the planet why not

3889
02:46:45,030 --> 02:46:43,120
just party

3890
02:46:47,269 --> 02:46:45,040
there's no reason to meet our space

3891
02:46:48,790 --> 02:46:47,279
brothers so let's just burn this sucker

3892
02:46:52,950 --> 02:46:48,800
down there's no re

3893
02:46:56,550 --> 02:46:52,960
it's a lonely exit it would seem to me

3894
02:46:58,950 --> 02:46:56,560
that the idea that the thing that gives

3895
02:47:00,469 --> 02:46:58,960
meaning to our existence is meeting our

3896
02:47:03,670 --> 02:47:00,479
space brothers

3897
02:47:06,790 --> 02:47:03,680
is wrong that that is not in fact

3898
02:47:07,510 --> 02:47:06,800
the meaning of our existence that the

3899
02:47:11,349 --> 02:47:07,520
reason

3900
02:47:13,190 --> 02:47:11,359
that we are here and the purpose that we

3901
02:47:16,550 --> 02:47:13,200
are here to fulfill

3902
02:47:18,309 --> 02:47:16,560
is something other than meeting our

3903
02:47:21,429 --> 02:47:18,319
space brothers

3904
02:47:24,389 --> 02:47:21,439
now we know as a matter of fact it's a

3905
02:47:27,670 --> 02:47:24,399
matter of historical fact

3906
02:47:29,910 --> 02:47:27,680
that essentially zero human

3907
02:47:31,269 --> 02:47:29,920
civilizations

3908
02:47:33,590 --> 02:47:31,279
that have reached the stage where

3909
02:47:34,710 --> 02:47:33,600
they've left enough behind that we can

3910
02:47:37,830 --> 02:47:34,720
learn about them

3911
02:47:40,309 --> 02:47:37,840
right have believed that our purpose was

3912
02:47:43,590 --> 02:47:40,319
to meet our space brothers

3913
02:47:45,910 --> 02:47:43,600
that is a quintessentially modern idea

3914
02:47:48,950 --> 02:47:45,920
it is something that only emerges in

3915
02:47:49,349 --> 02:47:48,960
modern civilization which has in turn

3916
02:47:51,990 --> 02:47:49,359
been

3917
02:47:53,830 --> 02:47:52,000
shaped in its beliefs and outlooks by

3918
02:47:57,429 --> 02:47:53,840
science

3919
02:48:00,150 --> 02:47:57,439
prior to this scientific worldview

3920
02:48:00,469 --> 02:48:00,160
right we always understood ourselves to

3921
02:48:07,269 --> 02:48:00,479
be

3922
02:48:10,630 --> 02:48:07,279
lived

3923
02:48:11,510 --> 02:48:10,640
christian or otherwise up until the 17th

3924
02:48:14,550 --> 02:48:11,520
century

3925
02:48:15,269 --> 02:48:14,560
believed that the earth was unique and

3926
02:48:18,950 --> 02:48:15,279
indeed

3927
02:48:22,389 --> 02:48:18,960
central in the entire cosmos

3928
02:48:25,429 --> 02:48:22,399
that this was where all the action

3929
02:48:26,870 --> 02:48:25,439
is and the action is not meeting our

3930
02:48:30,389 --> 02:48:26,880
space brothers

3931
02:48:32,950 --> 02:48:30,399
the action is meeting our creator

3932
02:48:33,670 --> 02:48:32,960
this is the old world story that has

3933
02:48:37,030 --> 02:48:33,680
been

3934
02:48:37,830 --> 02:48:37,040
supplanted and overturned by the

3935
02:48:41,830 --> 02:48:37,840
enlightenment

3936
02:48:45,030 --> 02:48:41,840
scientific myth which myth

3937
02:48:48,150 --> 02:48:45,040
is more true which myth is more powerful

3938
02:48:49,429 --> 02:48:48,160
well that's the question at this point i

3939
02:48:52,630 --> 02:48:49,439
would argue

3940
02:48:54,469 --> 02:48:52,640
and i hope i'm not i mean i i certainly

3941
02:48:57,110 --> 02:48:54,479
acknowledge completely what you said

3942
02:48:57,990 --> 02:48:57,120
that max and i are in a drastic minority

3943
02:48:59,990 --> 02:48:58,000
here

3944
02:49:01,349 --> 02:49:00,000
you couldn't find five people who agree

3945
02:49:03,510 --> 02:49:01,359
with this you're right about

3946
02:49:05,349 --> 02:49:03,520
99 of the people are going to agree with

3947
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:05,359
you you're right about that and

3948
02:49:14,790 --> 02:49:09,840
that that being said yes i nonetheless

3949
02:49:24,830 --> 02:49:18,630
the lack of any contact the lack of any

3950
02:49:30,710 --> 02:49:26,389
civilizations

3951
02:49:34,550 --> 02:49:30,720
to suggest that the

3952
02:49:38,230 --> 02:49:34,560
the old world story may just prove to

3953
02:49:41,190 --> 02:49:38,240
have a whole lot more meat on its bones

3954
02:49:42,230 --> 02:49:41,200
than uh then would be generally uh

3955
02:49:43,990 --> 02:49:42,240
anticipated

3956
02:49:45,590 --> 02:49:44,000
i'll put it that way yeah i agree with

3957
02:49:48,870 --> 02:49:45,600
that but there's there's

3958
02:49:50,710 --> 02:49:48,880
and this is where this is where

3959
02:49:51,910 --> 02:49:50,720
the line in the sand for me is

3960
02:49:55,269 --> 02:49:51,920
completely

3961
02:49:58,550 --> 02:49:55,279
defined and that is this now rick

3962
02:50:01,830 --> 02:49:58,560
just listen to what i have to say

3963
02:50:02,710 --> 02:50:01,840
i'm not i i'm i'm with this is an actual

3964
02:50:06,630 --> 02:50:02,720
event

3965
02:50:09,910 --> 02:50:06,640
okay i'm with 30 or 40 people

3966
02:50:13,030 --> 02:50:09,920
middle of the day we're up in washington

3967
02:50:15,269 --> 02:50:13,040
middle of the day beautiful blue sky

3968
02:50:16,710 --> 02:50:15,279
we're in front of mount adams which is

3969
02:50:19,910 --> 02:50:16,720
14 miles away

3970
02:50:21,590 --> 02:50:19,920
it's taking up our entire uh

3971
02:50:23,590 --> 02:50:21,600
field of view it's in front of us i'm

3972
02:50:26,309 --> 02:50:23,600
sitting at a picnic table

3973
02:50:27,670 --> 02:50:26,319
and uh and i've got a set of binoculars

3974
02:50:29,990 --> 02:50:27,680
on a tripod

3975
02:50:31,670 --> 02:50:30,000
and i'm looking at the mountain i'm

3976
02:50:33,349 --> 02:50:31,680
looking at the birds i'm looking at the

3977
02:50:35,429 --> 02:50:33,359
peak of the mountain

3978
02:50:37,190 --> 02:50:35,439
and uh it's about three o'clock in the

3979
02:50:38,150 --> 02:50:37,200
afternoon beautiful i'm listening to the

3980
02:50:41,030 --> 02:50:38,160
birds and

3981
02:50:42,070 --> 02:50:41,040
and things and i'm at this moment about

3982
02:50:43,590 --> 02:50:42,080
15 minutes i'm

3983
02:50:45,750 --> 02:50:43,600
looking at the mountain i'm at this

3984
02:50:49,429 --> 02:50:45,760
moment of tranquility

3985
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:49,439
and at that exact moment of peacefulness

3986
02:50:54,630 --> 02:50:52,960
from behind the mountain which is 14

3987
02:51:00,389 --> 02:50:54,640
miles away

3988
02:51:03,590 --> 02:51:00,399
appears this ginormous

3989
02:51:05,349 --> 02:51:03,600
vertical i'm gonna guess and say 500

3990
02:51:08,710 --> 02:51:05,359
foot tall

3991
02:51:11,750 --> 02:51:08,720
beer can it's black

3992
02:51:14,230 --> 02:51:11,760
it's got a silver circle on the front

3993
02:51:15,429 --> 02:51:14,240
it is traveling from my left to my right

3994
02:51:18,309 --> 02:51:15,439
it's going from

3995
02:51:19,349 --> 02:51:18,319
west to east from behind the mountain

3996
02:51:22,389 --> 02:51:19,359
and it is

3997
02:51:25,349 --> 02:51:22,399
spinning slowly i can see the silver

3998
02:51:27,349 --> 02:51:25,359
circle on it turning it's got a little

3999
02:51:28,070 --> 02:51:27,359
silver top little silver bottom but it

4000
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:28,080
looks like

4001
02:51:31,990 --> 02:51:31,439
the shape of a can and it's traveling

4002
02:51:33,910 --> 02:51:32,000
and

4003
02:51:35,030 --> 02:51:33,920
out of nowhere i'm just looking at the

4004
02:51:39,349 --> 02:51:35,040
birds

4005
02:51:42,550 --> 02:51:39,359
and it's 14 miles away i back i scream

4006
02:51:45,110 --> 02:51:42,560
and everybody sees it and

4007
02:51:46,550 --> 02:51:45,120
as it's slowly moving in the sky and it

4008
02:51:46,950 --> 02:51:46,560
looks like we're going to see it for the

4009
02:51:50,150 --> 02:51:46,960
next

4010
02:51:52,309 --> 02:51:50,160
hour by the speed and it's blue i see

4011
02:51:54,070 --> 02:51:52,319
the sun reflecting off of it it's

4012
02:51:57,510 --> 02:51:54,080
perfectly in focus

4013
02:51:59,590 --> 02:51:57,520
i can razor sharp edges it's beautiful

4014
02:52:00,230 --> 02:51:59,600
it's majestic i jump i got a video of

4015
02:52:03,590 --> 02:52:00,240
this

4016
02:52:05,349 --> 02:52:03,600
i jump up and i'm yelling video video

4017
02:52:07,830 --> 02:52:05,359
video pictures pictures everybody

4018
02:52:09,750 --> 02:52:07,840
look look everybody sees it everybody's

4019
02:52:11,990 --> 02:52:09,760
talking about i come back

4020
02:52:12,790 --> 02:52:12,000
i sit down at the binoculars i look

4021
02:52:15,990 --> 02:52:12,800
through it again

4022
02:52:17,510 --> 02:52:16,000
i see it i then take my eyes off the

4023
02:52:21,590 --> 02:52:17,520
binoculars

4024
02:52:23,830 --> 02:52:21,600
and i'm looking at it with my naked eyes

4025
02:52:25,030 --> 02:52:23,840
and then i go back to the binoculars and

4026
02:52:27,349 --> 02:52:25,040
it's gone

4027
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:27,359
and i hear everybody so it lasted for

4028
02:52:32,230 --> 02:52:28,960
about 10 or 15 seconds

4029
02:52:34,309 --> 02:52:32,240
i hear everybody yelling it phased out

4030
02:52:36,309 --> 02:52:34,319
it just disappeared and i was like

4031
02:52:37,030 --> 02:52:36,319
that's impossible i come back off and i

4032
02:52:41,349 --> 02:52:37,040
look it's

4033
02:52:44,389 --> 02:52:41,359
gone disappeared out of the sky

4034
02:52:48,630 --> 02:52:44,399
now i ask you

4035
02:52:51,750 --> 02:52:48,640
what did i see it wasn't a helicopter

4036
02:52:53,349 --> 02:52:51,760
it wasn't a balloon it wasn't a plane it

4037
02:52:56,550 --> 02:52:53,359
wasn't a rocket

4038
02:52:57,349 --> 02:52:56,560
it wasn't anything that should be up in

4039
02:53:00,710 --> 02:52:57,359
the sky

4040
02:53:03,990 --> 02:53:00,720
and then disappear in front of everybody

4041
02:53:07,590 --> 02:53:04,000
and you're gonna tell me that that was

4042
02:53:09,830 --> 02:53:07,600
us that that was something that just

4043
02:53:11,110 --> 02:53:09,840
was created on this planet and is flying

4044
02:53:13,990 --> 02:53:11,120
around in the sky and then

4045
02:53:15,750 --> 02:53:14,000
disappears i didn't see it appear on the

4046
02:53:17,269 --> 02:53:15,760
other side of the mountain by the way

4047
02:53:18,870 --> 02:53:17,279
i was looking at the mountain for 15

4048
02:53:19,590 --> 02:53:18,880
minutes it came out from behind the

4049
02:53:21,510 --> 02:53:19,600
mountain

4050
02:53:23,510 --> 02:53:21,520
i don't know how and then started

4051
02:53:26,469 --> 02:53:23,520
cruising across the sky

4052
02:53:27,030 --> 02:53:26,479
so that tells i don't know what it was

4053
02:53:30,150 --> 02:53:27,040
but i

4054
02:53:31,429 --> 02:53:30,160
certainly have questions and i know that

4055
02:53:33,110 --> 02:53:31,439
wasn't anything

4056
02:53:35,750 --> 02:53:33,120
that has been flying around in the skies

4057
02:53:37,750 --> 02:53:35,760
or documented by anybody

4058
02:53:39,030 --> 02:53:37,760
so to say that we're alone in the

4059
02:53:42,230 --> 02:53:39,040
universe

4060
02:53:43,750 --> 02:53:42,240
well i don't know was that e.t i don't

4061
02:53:49,110 --> 02:53:43,760
know

4062
02:53:50,870 --> 02:53:49,120
and so to think that we're alone in the

4063
02:53:53,190 --> 02:53:50,880
universe and we're it and i'm seeing

4064
02:53:56,550 --> 02:53:53,200
stuff like that with our friends

4065
02:53:57,990 --> 02:53:56,560
i can't tell my friends ah that was

4066
02:54:00,309 --> 02:53:58,000
nothing

4067
02:54:01,910 --> 02:54:00,319
because that is a life-changing event

4068
02:54:02,389 --> 02:54:01,920
you know it was the middle of the day it

4069
02:54:07,110 --> 02:54:02,399
wasn't

4070
02:54:10,389 --> 02:54:07,120
that could be questioned

4071
02:54:13,910 --> 02:54:10,399
we all saw it and i don't know yeah

4072
02:54:16,309 --> 02:54:13,920
it's it's a very powerful uh testimony

4073
02:54:18,389 --> 02:54:16,319
yeah there's no doubt as i listen to you

4074
02:54:20,550 --> 02:54:18,399
recount this

4075
02:54:22,309 --> 02:54:20,560
you know i see it i mean this is

4076
02:54:24,469 --> 02:54:22,319
obviously something that uh

4077
02:54:26,469 --> 02:54:24,479
it wasn't a flying saucer i'm not saying

4078
02:54:27,590 --> 02:54:26,479
that right i'm not saying little green

4079
02:54:29,990 --> 02:54:27,600
man i'm not saying that

4080
02:54:30,790 --> 02:54:30,000
i'm not saying and in fact it was the

4081
02:54:32,950 --> 02:54:30,800
opposite

4082
02:54:35,110 --> 02:54:32,960
i'd be fascinated to see the video

4083
02:54:37,190 --> 02:54:35,120
sometime if we ever get a chance to do

4084
02:54:38,870 --> 02:54:37,200
that i would love to see the video

4085
02:54:40,230 --> 02:54:38,880
i don't have an answer that's going to

4086
02:54:44,870 --> 02:54:40,240
satisfy either you

4087
02:54:48,550 --> 02:54:44,880
or me what i will say is this

4088
02:54:52,389 --> 02:54:48,560
eyewitness evidence is evidence

4089
02:54:55,670 --> 02:54:52,399
it is um to simply

4090
02:54:58,469 --> 02:54:55,680
you know flick your wrist and

4091
02:55:00,870 --> 02:54:58,479
oh well you know i mean uh sounds to me

4092
02:55:04,550 --> 02:55:00,880
like you wanted a beer or something

4093
02:55:07,990 --> 02:55:04,560
you know that that's not really adequate

4094
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:11,830
we must i think

4095
02:55:19,830 --> 02:55:15,359
both recognize

4096
02:55:22,389 --> 02:55:19,840
the power of this experience

4097
02:55:23,429 --> 02:55:22,399
i am perfectly willing to grant that

4098
02:55:26,469 --> 02:55:23,439
this

4099
02:55:30,710 --> 02:55:26,479
actually happened as you described it

4100
02:55:34,309 --> 02:55:30,720
you have witnesses you have video

4101
02:55:38,150 --> 02:55:34,319
um what

4102
02:55:42,230 --> 02:55:38,160
it means what it means in terms

4103
02:55:45,269 --> 02:55:42,240
of a demonstration

4104
02:55:47,429 --> 02:55:45,279
of the existence of intelligent life

4105
02:55:49,349 --> 02:55:47,439
elsewhere in the cosmos

4106
02:55:52,309 --> 02:55:49,359
that's a much different question it's a

4107
02:55:56,710 --> 02:55:52,319
big leap yeah sure yeah it's a big leap

4108
02:56:00,469 --> 02:55:56,720
and and so what i would say is that

4109
02:56:04,389 --> 02:56:00,479
i place a great deal

4110
02:56:05,110 --> 02:56:04,399
of credibility on truthful recounts of

4111
02:56:08,710 --> 02:56:05,120
eye

4112
02:56:11,990 --> 02:56:08,720
witnesses to me

4113
02:56:15,349 --> 02:56:12,000
if i saw it with my damned eyes

4114
02:56:16,790 --> 02:56:15,359
i'm gonna believe my damned eyes and if

4115
02:56:18,790 --> 02:56:16,800
you don't well

4116
02:56:20,150 --> 02:56:18,800
so much the worst for you i that's the

4117
02:56:23,110 --> 02:56:20,160
way i am

4118
02:56:25,269 --> 02:56:23,120
so i certainly can't blame you for

4119
02:56:28,309 --> 02:56:25,279
holding to the same

4120
02:56:31,830 --> 02:56:28,319
uh standard that i would hold if i saw

4121
02:56:35,110 --> 02:56:31,840
something with my eyes and i am

4122
02:56:38,550 --> 02:56:35,120
satisfied that this was not

4123
02:56:42,309 --> 02:56:38,560
you know a bit of undigested potato

4124
02:56:42,790 --> 02:56:42,319
but was in fact something in the in the

4125
02:56:45,590 --> 02:56:42,800
world

4126
02:56:46,389 --> 02:56:45,600
that this was something a being in the

4127
02:56:48,790 --> 02:56:46,399
world

4128
02:56:50,150 --> 02:56:48,800
now i want you to listen i i just pulled

4129
02:56:54,550 --> 02:56:50,160
up the video

4130
02:56:56,230 --> 02:56:54,560
this uh this is immediately after i

4131
02:56:59,510 --> 02:56:56,240
jumped up and yelled

4132
02:57:00,309 --> 02:56:59,520
i want you to see this just listen to

4133
02:57:04,150 --> 02:57:00,319
the audio

4134
02:57:07,510 --> 02:57:04,160
excuse

4135
02:57:10,790 --> 02:57:07,520
my profanity here we go

4136
02:57:15,269 --> 02:57:10,800
tell me somebody took a picture i

4137
02:57:17,590 --> 02:57:15,279
swear to god i will shoot everybody here

4138
02:57:19,110 --> 02:57:17,600
that's disappeared now oh no there it is

4139
02:57:32,230 --> 02:57:19,120
there it is i got it i heard it

4140
02:57:37,510 --> 02:57:35,590
okay who shot it okay now that's the

4141
02:57:40,309 --> 02:57:37,520
eyewitness it was shimmering

4142
02:57:40,790 --> 02:57:40,319
right and earlier if you were listening

4143
02:57:44,309 --> 02:57:40,800
uh

4144
02:57:46,469 --> 02:57:44,319
it was it was spinning right and so

4145
02:57:47,910 --> 02:57:46,479
there it is and then you heard as they

4146
02:57:55,750 --> 02:57:47,920
were watching

4147
02:57:59,190 --> 02:57:57,269
you could see it you could make it out

4148
02:58:00,150 --> 02:57:59,200
with the naked eye yep you can see it

4149
02:58:01,910 --> 02:58:00,160
spinning and

4150
02:58:03,590 --> 02:58:01,920
you heard somebody say it just

4151
02:58:06,550 --> 02:58:03,600
disappeared

4152
02:58:07,590 --> 02:58:06,560
right and and i think he's interesting

4153
02:58:10,389 --> 02:58:07,600
i'm gonna say

4154
02:58:11,750 --> 02:58:10,399
uh like i said it was 14 miles away and

4155
02:58:12,790 --> 02:58:11,760
the way it came out from behind the

4156
02:58:14,950 --> 02:58:12,800
mountain

4157
02:58:15,830 --> 02:58:14,960
um i've looked at a couple of uh still

4158
02:58:19,190 --> 02:58:15,840
images too

4159
02:58:22,309 --> 02:58:19,200
i'm gonna say probably 500 feet tall

4160
02:58:25,190 --> 02:58:22,319
um you know i don't know 100 feet across

4161
02:58:25,990 --> 02:58:25,200
that's the best way i could explain it

4162
02:58:29,269 --> 02:58:26,000
and

4163
02:58:31,990 --> 02:58:29,279
like i said the shape was like like a

4164
02:58:33,190 --> 02:58:32,000
like a like a can you know it was that

4165
02:58:35,910 --> 02:58:33,200
shape it was round

4166
02:58:36,790 --> 02:58:35,920
and it had this silver circle that was

4167
02:58:38,710 --> 02:58:36,800
huge

4168
02:58:39,910 --> 02:58:38,720
that was in the middle of it and you

4169
02:58:42,950 --> 02:58:39,920
could see that

4170
02:58:45,510 --> 02:58:42,960
spinning and shining off of the sun

4171
02:58:47,030 --> 02:58:45,520
every time it did this rotation about

4172
02:58:48,710 --> 02:58:47,040
every four or five seconds

4173
02:58:50,870 --> 02:58:48,720
you know very slow the whole thing was

4174
02:58:53,110 --> 02:58:50,880
slow the rotation was slow

4175
02:58:53,990 --> 02:58:53,120
it was moving in the sky slowly and it

4176
02:58:57,510 --> 02:58:54,000
was still

4177
02:58:58,830 --> 02:58:57,520
it was razor sharp it was crazy man

4178
02:59:00,950 --> 02:58:58,840
it was great i can't explain it

4179
02:59:03,510 --> 02:59:00,960
disappeared

4180
02:59:05,670 --> 02:59:03,520
i i didn't see it disappear that was the

4181
02:59:08,389 --> 02:59:05,680
thing i was going between naked eye

4182
02:59:09,990 --> 02:59:08,399
and the binoculars and when i came back

4183
02:59:11,269 --> 02:59:10,000
to the binoculars to look through it

4184
02:59:13,750 --> 02:59:11,279
again that's when somebody said it

4185
02:59:15,190 --> 02:59:13,760
phased out so i missed that part that's

4186
02:59:18,070 --> 02:59:15,200
an interesting expression

4187
02:59:20,389 --> 02:59:18,080
saved out that's what they said yes

4188
02:59:22,150 --> 02:59:20,399
that's an interesting expression

4189
02:59:23,510 --> 02:59:22,160
it doesn't say he didn't say it

4190
02:59:26,870 --> 02:59:23,520
disappeared he said

4191
02:59:29,269 --> 02:59:26,880
it phased out yeah yeah like i said

4192
02:59:32,389 --> 02:59:29,279
there was 30 40 people there

4193
02:59:33,190 --> 02:59:32,399
all they they got to see it disappear i

4194
02:59:36,870 --> 02:59:33,200
didn't

4195
02:59:42,070 --> 02:59:36,880
well i i i all honor all honor to your

4196
02:59:45,910 --> 02:59:42,080
uh to your uh to your insistence

4197
02:59:49,510 --> 02:59:45,920
that this does not fit um

4198
02:59:50,950 --> 02:59:49,520
it does not obviously and comfortably

4199
02:59:53,830 --> 02:59:50,960
fit

4200
02:59:54,870 --> 02:59:53,840
it was crazy rick hey you know i still

4201
02:59:59,269 --> 02:59:54,880
can't

4202
03:00:02,630 --> 02:59:59,279
see the video sometime

4203
03:00:05,670 --> 03:00:02,640
i i have never personally had a

4204
03:00:07,830 --> 03:00:05,680
similar experience i've seen a few

4205
03:00:11,030 --> 03:00:07,840
strange things in my time

4206
03:00:15,269 --> 03:00:11,040
but nothing like that and

4207
03:00:18,070 --> 03:00:15,279
i i i have to file this under

4208
03:00:19,750 --> 03:00:18,080
hmm that's right for now and that's why

4209
03:00:22,230 --> 03:00:19,760
you are rick delano

4210
03:00:24,389 --> 03:00:22,240
rick thank you thank you so much for the

4211
03:00:26,710 --> 03:00:24,399
conversation tonight man this was a

4212
03:00:27,750 --> 03:00:26,720
blast jimmy i can't tell you how much of

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a pleasure it was

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thanks for uh for uh spending the

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evening with me and uh i hope uh your

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audience enjoyed it and uh

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i certainly did you're the best and uh

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rick's website uh philosophy

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dot org the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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the film is gonna be quite real send our

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people over to

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to look at this on your site i will hook

4224
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you up rick

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there it is it's all easy and with that

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i got to get out of here we

4227
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are about to leave the network so let me

4228
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get straight to credits thank you so

4229
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much rick stay right there

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bay to black's executive producer is

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rita kamarian show

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is produced by steve harter jean patel

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03:01:12,870 --> 03:01:09,920
mark t kovar

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hilton j palm renee dennis and kevin

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webmaster is drew the geek music doug

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aldrich intro spaceboy spaceboymusic.com

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paid to black is produced by kjcr for

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the game changer network consideration

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is kgra

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the planet this broadcast owned a

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copyrighted 2020 by fade to black in the

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game changer network

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inc it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

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copied or used anywhere in the known

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universe

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without written permission from fade to

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black or the game changer network

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very special thanks to rick delano

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tomorrow night right here stephen

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bassett live from washington d.c

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until tomorrow night i'm your host jimmy

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church i want everybody to be